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Thread: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Lift it. If the point was to drive Castro out of power, I think it's pretty clear after half a century that it's a strategy that didn't work.

    I'm not a fan of Castro, and I like the idea of getting him out of power. I just think that the embargo failed in that goal.


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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I find the Cuban Cigar reputation to be a total farce which the embargo continues to help perpetuate.
    This is true. We can legally buy many handmade cigars from South America that are grown with Cuban seed and are indeed top drawer cigars.

    Still, sugar and tobacco are and always have been their main exports by far. As far as imports it will take a while for Cuba to have the economy to be any real player in the world market.

    Tourism will be their stepping stone to reach this level.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nope...the airline industry would suffer. People would stop flying through Canada to get to Cuba.

    Seriously...THATS the benefit? Like I said...you didnt give that whole bobblehead "uhuh...end Cuban embargo NOW" thing ANY thought...
    Gee, you can only take issue with one of the many benefits (ie tourism, import/export, sugar, tobacco, etc) that have presented to you in this thread

    It seems I'm not the one who hasn't given this any thought.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Gee, you can only take issue with one of the many benefits (ie tourism, import/export, sugar, tobacco, etc) that have presented to you in this thread

    It seems I'm not the one who hasn't given this any thought.
    You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.
    Well, American tourists are just as welcome in Cuba as any other. It is in the best interests of the US to convert this enemy to a friend. They are only 90 miles away from our borders. This action should have been taken long ago, especially as it was brought on by bumbling geo-political actions of the US.

    Outside of Cuba, the Castro Brothers hold little if any sway in the rest of the world. Yes, I think Cuba would be interested in trade with the US. To outright reject such a move would be shooting themselves in the foot, and while it isn't impossible that they would do that, it is unlikely.

    See, Cuba just isn't the big boogeyman it has been portrayed to be.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.
    Of all the dumb knee jerk things I have ever read – labeling an increase in free trade a liberal head bob ranks up there as one of the strangest.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You and others actually think the Castro government will begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an embargo would actually do to help the average citizen vs what it would do to stregthen and finance their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk liberal head bob.
    If you had read what I posted, instead of inventing straw men, you'd realize that there are areas in which the cubans would definitely trade with us. It is you who have to dishonestly ignore what's been said just to have something to say. The facts are against you, and so you have to make up absurd rants to rationalize yor emotional reaction to the idea of ending the boycott.

    You and other rightwingers s actually think the Castro government will NOT begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will NOT import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an ened to the embargo would actually do to help the average citizen and what it would do to weaken their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk wingnut rightie head bob.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Of all the dumb knee jerk things I have ever read – labeling an increase in free trade a liberal head bob ranks up there as one of the strangest.
    I was wondering about that as well. Frankly I can easily see Cuba as a Monte Carlo style gambling resort and tourism spot. This would open all kinds of new jobs for the people there. Sure, there would be corruption and things like that. However, for the US or its citizens to criticize something like that would be rather foolish, as it's how things work here as well.

    Americans would be lining up for resort management, chef, engineer and all types of jobs there as well. I lived in Florida for many years and knew many Cubans, hell in school my best friend was a refugee. Oddly, without a government in the way we all got along pretty damn good.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you had read what I posted, instead of inventing straw men, you'd realize that there are areas in which the cubans would definitely trade with us. It is you who have to dishonestly ignore what's been said just to have something to say. The facts are against you, and so you have to make up absurd rants to rationalize yor emotional reaction to the idea of ending the boycott.

    You and other rightwingers s actually think the Castro government will NOT begin a 'trade' relationship with the US. You actually believe they will NOT import our products and sell them. You dont give ANY thought to the rtelationship, the existence of Cubans, their lives, what if anything an ened to the embargo would actually do to help the average citizen and what it would do to weaken their government. You keep making **** up on the fly. No...you didnt think this out at ALL. You gave it the good ol kneejerk wingnut rightie head bob.
    On the contrary...I realize very much the two very distinct 'Cubas'. I realize the Cuba for the very rich and the Cuba for the rest. I realize the medical care for the rich and the tourists vs the medical care for the rest of Cuba. I regonize the devastation of the average Cuban under Castro and the excesses the elite have achived and still do. I had an acquaintence...she died in 2008...she was an expat American. Lived in Cuba and loved it. Of course she loved it because she was VERY wealthy. And they loved her...because she was wealthy. Every few years she would produce a new book or go on speaking engagement and accumulate more wealth. She freely admitted she could never do such a thing in Cuba, while ignoring the obvious reality that the only reason she was successful was the capitalist country that she so disdained.

    Cubans dont live this socialst paradise. There is no 'embargo' that is today crippling their ability to succeed. They dont trade with US...that doesnt mean they dont trade. Ending a US embargo will do precisely squat. Goods and services will still go through the government. They will still go to keeping the Castros and cronies wealthy. Until their is an ideological change in Cuba, nothing will change. I base my beliefs about Cuba and their government on reality...you base yours on more mindless ideology.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    On the contrary...I realize very much the two very distinct 'Cubas'. I realize the Cuba for the very rich and the Cuba for the rest. I realize the medical care for the rich and the tourists vs the medical care for the rest of Cuba. I regonize the devastation of the average Cuban under Castro and the excesses the elite have achived and still do. I had an acquaintence...she died in 2008...she was an expat American. Lived in Cuba and loved it. Of course she loved it because she was VERY wealthy. And they loved her...because she was wealthy. Every few years she would produce a new book or go on speaking engagement and accumulate more wealth. She freely admitted she could never do such a thing in Cuba, while ignoring the obvious reality that the only reason she was successful was the capitalist country that she so disdained.
    You realize nothing. If you realized the facts you'd know that the avg cuban gets medical care thats equivalent to the US, at a fraction of the cost. That's why people from all over the world fly to Cuba for medical care.

    Medical tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Cubans dont live this socialst paradise. There is no 'embargo' that is today crippling their ability to succeed.
    There is no embargo? Is that why you don't want to end the non-existant embargo?

    Nothing funnier than someone being opposed to ending something that doesnt exist

    They dont trade with US...that doesnt mean they dont trade. Ending a US embargo will do precisely squat.
    But, but, but....didn't you just say there is no US embargo? Now you want to keep the embargo that doesn't exist?

    Goods and services will still go through the government. They will still go to keeping the Castros and cronies wealthy. Until their is an ideological change in Cuba, nothing will change. I base my beliefs about Cuba and their government on reality...you base yours on more mindless ideology.
    I love the "mindfullness" of you being opposed to an embargo that you say doesn't exist!
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