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Thread: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    No I'm not. I'm well aware of mutually assured destruction, and so were the Soviets. To them, it was secondary to defending Communism. Remember that these men had survived the most brutal theater of WWII, the bloodiest conflict in history that destroyed almost every major city in their country. They were never going to allow another affront to their sovereignty, no matter what the cost. MAD works when all hands on the button are completely rational, unfortunately, not everyone was.
    Communists prefer to let the Capitalists fight out against each other. The reason they do this is because they know that if they get confronted by the capitalist countries altogether, their survival would be threatened. This is how Stalin played us off against the Fascists for the first two years of the war.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And who would you employ? What products would you sell there? No way in hell Cuba imports American goods. The ONLY thing lifting the embargo would do would be to release travel restrictions. People wouldnt have to fly through Canada to get to Cuba. Enhance the wealthy tourism areas and government bank accounts but would do nothing for the typical Cubanos.

    Like I said...you talk about this as if you have actually given thought to it beyond...yeah...we should lift the embargo...cuz...thats wrong...but you havent.
    The airline industry and cruise industries will benefit. So will anyone who imports and sells cuban goods here in the US
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    so sick of your version of phony conservatism.

    you are a globalist, not a conservative. not even close.
    Holy Crap!!!

    You really do sound like a Real Conservative.

    Very well done, Sir!
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Why have we been denying ourselves Cuban cigars all of these years??? For politics? Craziness.
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Why have we been denying ourselves Cuban cigars all of these years??? For politics? Craziness.
    I find the Cuban Cigar reputation to be a total farce which the embargo continues to help perpetuate.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lasher View Post
    Communists prefer to let the Capitalists fight out against each other. The reason they do this is because they know that if they get confronted by the capitalist countries altogether, their survival would be threatened. This is how Stalin played us off against the Fascists for the first two years of the war.
    We did the same thing with China and the USSR, does that mean we didn't spill blood to roll back communism in Korea and Vietnam? The Soviets bloodily protected Communism in Czechoslovakia and Hungary. You are missing the point entirely. The Kremlin knew that a nuclear war would have blasted them to hell, but after the experiences of WWII, they weren't giving an inch of ground. It's called brinkmanship
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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The airline industry and cruise industries will benefit. So will anyone who imports and sells cuban goods here in the US
    Nope...the airline industry would suffer. People would stop flying through Canada to get to Cuba.

    Seriously...THATS the benefit? Like I said...you didnt give that whole bobblehead "uhuh...end Cuban embargo NOW" thing ANY thought...

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Cuba is going to be drawn into the fold by virtue of the current global order, and its need to avoid further slipping into desolation. We can at least say that Cuba has lasted all this time, with limited means. I think what the U.S. really is seeking from Cuba is acknowledgement that its political way of life has been unsuccessful; doing so puts one more nail in the coffin of communism. People sit around saying that Cuba is in dire poverty, it's failing, etc... but as long as Cuba doesn't own up to that, it will just look like we are capitulating to them by lifting any embargo.

    I reluctantly agree that Fidel must be out of the picture before we can really look forward. His legacy there is powerful and long-lasted.

    We are already doing limited trades with Cuba and the kinds of goods allowed seem to increase incrementally each year. IMO this is wise trade policy. As people in Cuba gradually receive goods, they will want more, and this will increase political pressure for internal change; and because it's so gradual, it doesn't look invasive on our part.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    End the embargo, the Cold War ended over 20 years ago. Embargos do nothing but hurt the people they supposedly help.

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    Re: Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    We got into the Cuban Missile Crisis because of our attempts to take out Castro. If the goal is to take him out, lifting the embargo would be far more successful.
    Disagreed. We got into the Cuban Missile Crisis for several reasons; the primary one being our Cold War with the Soviet Union. The fact we didn't recognize Castro after he took over from Batista turned Castro to the USSR. It was more complicated than that, but that's the jist of it.

    As for lifting the embargo, I'm for it. If our second largest trade partner and primary bank is the People's Republic of China, it seems stupid to have an embargo on a two-bit nation. The embargo is more about appeasing anti-Castroites in Miami than political ideology.

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