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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    The place to fix our problems is with the budget.

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Yes, though it should actually mean something and it should be non-negotiable unless there is a war.
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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I honestly don't understand the issues involved well enough to have an informed opinion.
    I'm mostly with you, but voted no because something that has been raised 103 times really has little purpose. Perhaps a name change is in order

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Should the U.S. have a debt ceiling?

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    Yes the US should have a debt ceiling and they should not be allowed be allowed to increase it. Because not having a debt ceiling just means they can keep borrowing and borrowing nonstop and raising the debt ceiling means that they can just keep borrowing more and more money thus ****ing future generations in the ass with a very splintery 2x4.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes the US should have a debt ceiling and they should not be allowed be allowed to increase it. Because not having a debt ceiling just means they can keep borrowing and borrowing nonstop and raising the debt ceiling means that they can just keep borrowing more and more money thus ****ing future generations in the ass with a very splintery 2x4.
    Well, having a debt ceiling sure hasn't changed that. Nor do I think it will anytime soon. Instead, we as a people have to get beyond our disconnect. If we want a service we have to pay for it. And if we don't want it enough to pay for it, we can't have it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, having a debt ceiling sure hasn't changed that. Nor do I think it will anytime soon. Instead, we as a people have to get beyond our disconnect. If we want a service we have to pay for it. And if we don't want it enough to pay for it, we can't have it.
    That sounds good in theory. However elected officials do not listen to us when we say we do not want something or there is not enough politician who actually do listen.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That sounds good in theory. However elected officials do not listen to us when we say we do not want something or there is not enough politician who actually do listen.
    We don't say that. We speak with our vote, and when a congress critter cuts a valued program, that congress critter is gone. And when they raise taxes to pay for that program, they are likely gone then as well. We're the problem James. We ahve to fix our disconect before we can move on to congress.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Fine, how do you propose to stop them from spending too much?
    I think I already addressed that.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059698987


    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The debt ceiling tactic is a colossal failure.
    It's been a colossal success! The conservatives in the House of Reps have successfully pushed the President and the Senate towards their requirements AND redefined the debate in Washington on their terms, to the point where Progressives and conservatives both agree the Tea Party is the big winner.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1059702856



    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    According to the Constitution, the House has the purse strings and unless a veto is overridden by Congress the spending becomes law.

    Are second guessing the Founding Fathers?
    Answer hasn't changed from the 1st time you asked.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059699124
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    what exactly does this mean??
    He means that the printing presses will be destroyed and the market will determine how much the US can borrow. We'll have to borrow based on our collateral (gold).
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    Re: Should The U.S. Have A Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    President Clinton handed President Bush a budget surplus, but we still had a debt. If it were not for Bush's tax cuts, Bush's unfunded war in Iraq and his unfunded Medicare Part D legislation our debt wouldn't be as much of a problem today.

    How the Deficit Got This Big
    Medicare D required higher fees for wealthy seniors, something you should be please with. Clinton did not give anything more than a projected surplus.
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