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Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

Are seniors that use SS one of these...

  • Terrorists

    Votes: 10 55.6%
  • Leftists

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Lazy

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Parasites

    Votes: 3 16.7%

  • Total voters
    18
If you think drawing "hundreds" (prob'ly 400-500) is enough for them to live off for a month, then try doing it. You will quickly learn that no matter what your age, the bills keep rolling in. So $500 a month is a pitance. Even if they are living in their childs home, there is still money needed for personal care, food, clothing, and possibly chipping in for heat and electric. So a mere few hundred isn't going to go very far.

sadly too many people labor under the delusion that SS was designed to support people in retirement. SS was supposed to be supplemental income. if you are planning on living off SS alone when you retire, you are a fool
 
sadly too many people labor under the delusion that SS was designed to support people in retirement. SS was supposed to be supplemental income. if you are planning on living off SS alone when you retire, you are a fool

What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies
 
What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies

really? that's what you got from my post? :shrug: no wonder you are having trouble making ends meet :shrug: I don't give a **** what you do with your money. the point is, social security was never designed to pay out enough money for you to live on. it was designed to supplement other retirements/savings (you have heard of saving money haven't you?)
 
I see an average of 450 patients a year. Im one of a team of 7 responders and we see about the same number of people. Thats not including the salaried full time employees. They see a lot more. Not everyone we see is a medicaid recipient. Not every recipient is typical of the case I cited. But significant numbers. Anecdotal? Sure...believe it...dont...I dont really care. If you really dont see this as a problem, theres nothing I can say to you...you dont WANT to see it. If you dont think medicare recipient fraud is a problem, youve never done any research on it. Every state has a department that investigates the problem. Every state has similar problems. And the the case I cited wasnt even fraudulent...they are simply a by-product of an enabling system.

And because you gave them medical attention you know their entire life story? Not likely. What is more likely is that you have invented these facts and are just making assumptions based on wild speculation.

The funny part is that instead of being pissed that the system creates such people, or being pissed that it is so easily and readily abused by both fraudulent recipients and fraudulent caregivers, defenders of the system ignore the fraud, downplay the abuses...and cost those that TRULY need the services.

We cannot hope to eliminate all fraud and abuse and the cost of trying becomes prohibitive at some point. You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution. Welfare is not even close to our biggest problem anymore.
 
Then you should be more careful with your language. You said...

The OP doesnt really apply to seniors. It is a mocking/baiting poll kinda thread in response to people like...oh...say...me that have no problem proclaiming certain segments of our society parasites. Its fun...because then we can draw the completely unconnected conclusion that since seniors who have typically spent a lifetime working and paying into the social security system arent parasites, then its absurd to call the welfare class parasites.


You seem to be generalizing with references to segments and classes.

You have not established that there are thousands and thousands of people that are like your hyperbolic example. You have not established that there isd one person like that and it still seems to be a fabrication.

Welfare spending is not set to explode. The welfare reform of 96 did about as much as can be done without government snooping in to the lives of beneficiaries at an extreme level and cost. The law of diminishing returns is a factor in determining how far we should go to eliminate abuse and fraud. Eliminating it completely is a stupid and counterproductive goal.

What part of "certain segments of our society" do you not understand? And did you not read the first part of my response to the thread stating that of COURSE this tghread didnt actually apply to senior citizens but that it was merely a bait thread?

I have said on numerous occasions that there are MANY that NEED social services. YOU should be pissed at those that I described and the thousands...yes THOUSANDS that are stealing those resources from those that NEED it rather than be all pissy and indignant that I point out that in fact it is HAPPENING.
 
What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies

You bought into a Ponzi scheme and hired politicians that spent your money. That's your fault, not that of your grandchildren. The money you get in SS is not yours but that of those currently paying in and soon you will be paid through income taxes.
 
And because you gave them medical attention you know their entire life story? Not likely. What is more likely is that you have invented these facts and are just making assumptions based on wild speculation.



We cannot hope to eliminate all fraud and abuse and the cost of trying becomes prohibitive at some point. You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution. Welfare is not even close to our biggest problem anymore.

Learning their life story is my JOB dood. I see this pretty much daily to varying levels and degrees. You CANT be too shocked...but if you are missing it...pick up a newspaper or two.

Again...I find it amazing how quickly people get all pissy and defensive when the abuses to the system are pointed out. NO ONE has suggested throwing out the baby with the bath water. But by all means...please show ANYWHERE where I have ever and I mean EVER indicated we shouldnt dedicate necessary resources to those truly in NEED.
 
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You bought into a Ponzi scheme and hired politicians that spent your money. That's your fault, not that of your grandchildren. The money you get in SS is not yours but that of those currently paying in and soon you will be paid through income taxes.

Intriguing...you are in defense of Welfare but in opposition to SS?
 
What part of "certain segments of our society" do you not understand? And did you not read the first part of my response to the thread stating that of COURSE this tghread didnt actually apply to senior citizens but that it was merely a bait thread?

I understood it as it was written. You were making a generalization concerning segments of society.

I have said on numerous occasions that there are MANY that NEED social services. YOU should be pissed at those that I described and the thousands...yes THOUSANDS that are stealing those resources from those that NEED it rather than be all pissy and indignant that I point out that in fact it is HAPPENING.

Yes, everybody knows there is some abuse and we should try to prevent it. But you made wild claims about how there are thousands in every county that are just like your hyperbolic boogeyman without any proof.

If we could could eliminate all abuse and fraud in welfare without increasing the cost of the program we would still be staring at financial ruin. You seem to want to pick on welfare recipients and ignore the real problems.
 
What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies

Waah much? Who is suggesting what you can or cant do with your money? Spend it on a case of cat food and the rest on Lotto tickets.

Even when Bush proposed "privatization" and changes to social security it amounted to a VOLUNTARY investment of up to 5% of your OWN income potential. I know some folks think it SHOULDNT exist but the simple reality is that it will ALWAYS exist. There SHOULD however be some very basic changes to the system. People should be offered a one time buyout of their investment (without interest). The retirement age should undergo phased increases. There SHOULD be some form of investment opportunity for individuals to invest all some or none (with the SS program taking a percentage) in secure investments (say...tied to the investments congressmen make). Reality says there NEEDS to be a revision of the system.
 
Learning their life story is my JOB dood. I see this pretty much daily to varying levels and degrees. You CANT be too shocked...but if you are missing it...pick up a newspaper or two.

Again...I find it amazing how quickly people get all pissy and defensive when the abuses to the system are pointed out. NO ONE has suggested throwing out the baby with the bath water. But by all means...please show ANYWHERE where I have ever and I mean EVER indicated we shouldnt dedicate necessary resources to those truly in NEED.

I did not say you wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I said...

You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution.

... If you have a welfare program there is going to be fraud and abuse. We cannot dedicate resources to those truly in need without it getting to some people that are going to game the system. Those are actual facts, not just some fictional nonsense that I made up off the top of my head.
 
I see an average of 450 patients a year. Im one of a team of 7 responders and we see about the same number of people. Thats not including the salaried full time employees. They see a lot more. Not everyone we see is a medicaid recipient. Not every recipient is typical of the case I cited. But significant numbers. Anecdotal? Sure...believe it...dont...I dont really care. If you really dont see this as a problem, theres nothing I can say to you...you dont WANT to see it. If you dont think medicare recipient fraud is a problem, youve never done any research on it. Every state has a department that investigates the problem. Every state has similar problems. And the the case I cited wasnt even fraudulent...they are simply a by-product of an enabling system.

The funny part is that instead of being pissed that the system creates such people, or being pissed that it is so easily and readily abused by both fraudulent recipients and fraudulent caregivers, defenders of the system ignore the fraud, downplay the abuses...and cost those that TRULY need the services.

Draw your own conclusions. And keep 'helping' folks. :thumbs:

These kind of viewpoints make me hurt all over. You could just as easily be talking about people like the Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck and Charles Manson and claim that they are examples of why the first amendment doesn't work because it just allows bad people to become famous and worsen the world. But you would never make that claim, because you understand that the first amendment exists because it is of extreme importance to a free and fair nation. Yet somehow, you fail to understand that a federal system to provide basic needs for all people is just as important to a great country. Here's a question for you: how many of these "parasites" that you deal with are veterans of our military? All of them are just worthless parasites that we're enabling too, right?
 
really? that's what you got from my post? :shrug: no wonder you are having trouble making ends meet :shrug: I don't give a **** what you do with your money. the point is, social security was never designed to pay out enough money for you to live on. it was designed to supplement other retirements/savings (you have heard of saving money haven't you?)

Again what I do with my money is my business, what you "think" SS was designed for is a mute point, whether I saved money for retirement is a mute point and none of your business
 
I understood it as it was written. You were making a generalization concerning segments of society.



Yes, everybody knows there is some abuse and we should try to prevent it. But you made wild claims about how there are thousands in every county that are just like your hyperbolic boogeyman without any proof.

If we could could eliminate all abuse and fraud in welfare without increasing the cost of the program we would still be staring at financial ruin. You seem to want to pick on welfare recipients and ignore the real problems.

And still do. CERTAIN SEGMENTS of our society abuse the system. Certain segments of our society are capable and able bodied and are draining needed resources from those that are NOT capable for whatever reason. That both drains fiscal resources and it perpetuates the problem enabling people to remain dependent.

Geez dood. Have you seen any of the discussion on military spending? IM ALL OVER gutting defense spending. Have you seen my response to solving the debt crisis? Im all about gutting the fed and raising taxes to pay down the debt. However...in a discussion ABOUT welfare...Im kinda likely to FOCUS on welfare. knowwutImean Verne?

BTW...that hyperbolic tale? That was my life from 2-4 am last night. Its fairly common. Frankly I could care less if you believe it. In a day and age where some people are trading their children for drugs and putting them in microwave ovens...I think its funny you think THAT particular account is far-fetched. Hell....thats a SLOW night.
 
These kind of viewpoints make me hurt all over. You could just as easily be talking about people like the Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck and Charles Manson and claim that they are examples of why the first amendment doesn't work because it just allows bad people to become famous and worsen the world. But you would never make that claim, because you understand that the first amendment exists because it is of extreme importance to a free and fair nation. Yet somehow, you fail to understand that a federal system to provide basic needs for all people is just as important to a great country. Here's a question for you: how many of these "parasites" that you deal with are veterans of our military? All of them are just worthless parasites that we're enabling too, right?

Howzabout instead I stick with actual accounts of fraud and the cause and effect of a handout society and watch and people like you lose your freakin minds instead.
 
You bought into a Ponzi scheme and hired politicians that spent your money. That's your fault, not that of your grandchildren. The money you get in SS is not yours but that of those currently paying in and soon you will be paid through income taxes.

I do not care where the money comes from, I paid it in and I want it back, but go ahead and play with SS the political outcome should be very interesting
 
These kind of viewpoints make me hurt all over. You could just as easily be talking about people like the Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck and Charles Manson and claim that they are examples of why the first amendment doesn't work because it just allows bad people to become famous and worsen the world. But you would never make that claim, because you understand that the first amendment exists because it is of extreme importance to a free and fair nation. Yet somehow, you fail to understand that a federal system to provide basic needs for all people is just as important to a great country. Here's a question for you: how many of these "parasites" that you deal with are veterans of our military? All of them are just worthless parasites that we're enabling too, right?

Oh...lets take the second part...and from the perspective of a military vet...I deal with a fair number of them as well though not as many as you are likely to see around a major installation. I deal with a fair number of vets that use the hand-it-out-like-candy diagnosis of PTSD as their excuse to remain on disability for the rest of their lives. I deal with some active duty folks that are no different than some of the rest of the handout set. How could they be any different...the military is made up from people in society. Joining is no magical cureall. You want a military anecdotal account? Sure...army medic...joined to egt away from his family...mom was a trainwreck...never knew dad. Deployed twice but never to a hot zone downrange. Lost a few buddies...carries a bit of survivor guilt but lets be honest...dood was a trainwreck before he joined. He comes home...gets out of the military. Starts drinking heavily again. Doesnt work. Is perpetually gonna go back to school. One too many DV incidents and the wife has had enough...kicks him out...this time for good. 3 months later following a few stalking incidents and a court order he is found dead in his group home near the VA from a heroin overdose.

He had legit problems that probably could have been helped with a legit A1 diagnosis and some therapy. Instead he too readily accepted a label, psych drugs, and disability.

One of thousands.
 
Howzabout instead I stick with actual accounts of fraud and the cause and effect of a handout society and watch and people like you lose your freakin minds instead.

In other words, you're proposing that you ignore the reasons that your argument is fatally flawed. You think that the people who abuse our entitlement programs are the product of our system, although you haven't even begun to prove that. And it can't be proven. Again, how many people that you deal with are veterans of our military? How many of the people that you deal with would be much better off if they had received a top notch education and proper preventative medical care?

Although to be fair to you I don't know what you're actually proposing. I'm guessing that you think entitlement programs should be massively overhauled and gutted to prevent taxpayer's money from being spent on "parasites," but in actuality you don't seem to be suggesting anything, just ranting about people who you're judging without knowing.

So that story you told about the girl who has been in and out of rehab and been to the ICU dozens of times -- awfully detailed account there. It sounds to me like the vast majority of those details are presumptions based on the fact that you judge people who are in desperate need of help. You're backing up your opinion with cherry picked evidence that you see because it supports your own conclusion.

EDIT: just read your other post about veterans. I appreciate you answering my question, but one more example of you acting like you have a superhuman ability to read minds and understand human behavior. I think that's what angers me about your statements. You come off as somebody that I really wouldn't want around me if I were in need of help.
 
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In other words, you're proposing that you ignore the reasons that your argument is fatally flawed. You think that the people who abuse our entitlement programs are the product of our system, although you haven't even begun to prove that. And it can't be proven. Again, how many people that you deal with are veterans of our military? How many of the people that you deal with would be much better off if they had received a top notch education and proper preventative medical care?

Although to be fair to you I don't know what you're actually proposing. I'm guessing that you think entitlement programs should be massively overhauled and gutted to prevent taxpayer's money from being spent on "parasites," but in actuality you don't seem to be suggesting anything, just ranting about people who you're judging without knowing.

So that story you told about the girl who has been in and out of rehab and been to the ICU dozens of times -- awfully detailed account there. It sounds to me like the vast majority of those details are presumptions based on the fact that you judge people who are in desperate need of help. You're backing up your opinion with cherry picked evidence that you see because it supports your own conclusion.

EDIT: just read your other post about veterans. I appreciate you answering my question, but one more example of you acting like you have a superhuman ability to read minds and understand human behavior. I think that's what angers me about your statements. You come off as somebody that I really wouldn't want around me if I were in need of help.

I know...I know. I expect you to stand...will even HELP you stand. You prefer masters that will encourage people to continue to kneel. (Yeah...I stole it...sue me)

I see people like this daily. You see me as some heartless judgemental evil bastard. I work with a team of people that help people escape from the stronglehold of our 'helping' society. You think those are the occasional onesy-twosey accounts? Sorry...not even close. I wish it were. Thats the comical part. You defend a system that I view as complicit in CREATING the problem and I spend about 90 hours a week trying to help people escape that system. And with a fair amount of success.
 
In other words, you're proposing that you ignore the reasons that your argument is fatally flawed. You think that the people who abuse our entitlement programs are the product of our system, although you haven't even begun to prove that. And it can't be proven. Again, how many people that you deal with are veterans of our military? How many of the people that you deal with would be much better off if they had received a top notch education and proper preventative medical care?

Although to be fair to you I don't know what you're actually proposing. I'm guessing that you think entitlement programs should be massively overhauled and gutted to prevent taxpayer's money from being spent on "parasites," but in actuality you don't seem to be suggesting anything, just ranting about people who you're judging without knowing.

So that story you told about the girl who has been in and out of rehab and been to the ICU dozens of times -- awfully detailed account there. It sounds to me like the vast majority of those details are presumptions based on the fact that you judge people who are in desperate need of help. You're backing up your opinion with cherry picked evidence that you see because it supports your own conclusion.

EDIT: just read your other post about veterans. I appreciate you answering my question, but one more example of you acting like you have a superhuman ability to read minds and understand human behavior. I think that's what angers me about your statements. You come off as somebody that I really wouldn't want around me if I were in need of help.

BTW...it has nothing to DO with reading minds.
 
I do not care where the money comes from, I paid it in and I want it back, but go ahead and play with SS the political outcome should be very interesting

And you hired people that spent the money you paid in. Too bad for you.
 
Intriguing...you are in defense of Welfare but in opposition to SS?

I support a minimal social safety net. The poor and elderly should be taken care of those that are still prospering can get bent. SS is a much bigger problem than welfare. It and Medicare are set to explode. There is no pressing concern in welfare and I think it is a waste to focus on it at this time.
 
Well, I'm a senior at 70 but I don't draw Social Security and never will. I figure I'm supporting at least five parasites through the government. So, for the parasites here, you're free to thank me.
 
Well, I'm a senior at 70 but I don't draw Social Security and never will. I figure I'm supporting at least five parasites through the government. So, for the parasites here, you're free to thank me.

If you had worked long enough you would have paid into SS and would have been able to receive the SS benefits, you are not supporting anyone, people who paid into SS are entitled to their SS benefits.
 
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