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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies
    You bought into a Ponzi scheme and hired politicians that spent your money. That's your fault, not that of your grandchildren. The money you get in SS is not yours but that of those currently paying in and soon you will be paid through income taxes.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    And because you gave them medical attention you know their entire life story? Not likely. What is more likely is that you have invented these facts and are just making assumptions based on wild speculation.



    We cannot hope to eliminate all fraud and abuse and the cost of trying becomes prohibitive at some point. You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution. Welfare is not even close to our biggest problem anymore.
    Learning their life story is my JOB dood. I see this pretty much daily to varying levels and degrees. You CANT be too shocked...but if you are missing it...pick up a newspaper or two.

    Again...I find it amazing how quickly people get all pissy and defensive when the abuses to the system are pointed out. NO ONE has suggested throwing out the baby with the bath water. But by all means...please show ANYWHERE where I have ever and I mean EVER indicated we shouldnt dedicate necessary resources to those truly in NEED.
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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    You bought into a Ponzi scheme and hired politicians that spent your money. That's your fault, not that of your grandchildren. The money you get in SS is not yours but that of those currently paying in and soon you will be paid through income taxes.
    Intriguing...you are in defense of Welfare but in opposition to SS?

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What part of "certain segments of our society" do you not understand? And did you not read the first part of my response to the thread stating that of COURSE this tghread didnt actually apply to senior citizens but that it was merely a bait thread?
    I understood it as it was written. You were making a generalization concerning segments of society.

    I have said on numerous occasions that there are MANY that NEED social services. YOU should be pissed at those that I described and the thousands...yes THOUSANDS that are stealing those resources from those that NEED it rather than be all pissy and indignant that I point out that in fact it is HAPPENING.
    Yes, everybody knows there is some abuse and we should try to prevent it. But you made wild claims about how there are thousands in every county that are just like your hyperbolic boogeyman without any proof.

    If we could could eliminate all abuse and fraud in welfare without increasing the cost of the program we would still be staring at financial ruin. You seem to want to pick on welfare recipients and ignore the real problems.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    What gives you the right to tell me what to do with my money, whether I use my SS to eat or plan to gamble it away is my business just like the SS I paid in is my money, go steal money from wall street or from the oil companies
    Waah much? Who is suggesting what you can or cant do with your money? Spend it on a case of cat food and the rest on Lotto tickets.

    Even when Bush proposed "privatization" and changes to social security it amounted to a VOLUNTARY investment of up to 5% of your OWN income potential. I know some folks think it SHOULDNT exist but the simple reality is that it will ALWAYS exist. There SHOULD however be some very basic changes to the system. People should be offered a one time buyout of their investment (without interest). The retirement age should undergo phased increases. There SHOULD be some form of investment opportunity for individuals to invest all some or none (with the SS program taking a percentage) in secure investments (say...tied to the investments congressmen make). Reality says there NEEDS to be a revision of the system.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Learning their life story is my JOB dood. I see this pretty much daily to varying levels and degrees. You CANT be too shocked...but if you are missing it...pick up a newspaper or two.

    Again...I find it amazing how quickly people get all pissy and defensive when the abuses to the system are pointed out. NO ONE has suggested throwing out the baby with the bath water. But by all means...please show ANYWHERE where I have ever and I mean EVER indicated we shouldnt dedicate necessary resources to those truly in NEED.
    I did not say you wanted to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I said...

    You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution.

    ... If you have a welfare program there is going to be fraud and abuse. We cannot dedicate resources to those truly in need without it getting to some people that are going to game the system. Those are actual facts, not just some fictional nonsense that I made up off the top of my head.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I see an average of 450 patients a year. Im one of a team of 7 responders and we see about the same number of people. Thats not including the salaried full time employees. They see a lot more. Not everyone we see is a medicaid recipient. Not every recipient is typical of the case I cited. But significant numbers. Anecdotal? Sure...believe it...dont...I dont really care. If you really dont see this as a problem, theres nothing I can say to you...you dont WANT to see it. If you dont think medicare recipient fraud is a problem, youve never done any research on it. Every state has a department that investigates the problem. Every state has similar problems. And the the case I cited wasnt even fraudulent...they are simply a by-product of an enabling system.

    The funny part is that instead of being pissed that the system creates such people, or being pissed that it is so easily and readily abused by both fraudulent recipients and fraudulent caregivers, defenders of the system ignore the fraud, downplay the abuses...and cost those that TRULY need the services.

    Draw your own conclusions. And keep 'helping' folks.
    These kind of viewpoints make me hurt all over. You could just as easily be talking about people like the Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck and Charles Manson and claim that they are examples of why the first amendment doesn't work because it just allows bad people to become famous and worsen the world. But you would never make that claim, because you understand that the first amendment exists because it is of extreme importance to a free and fair nation. Yet somehow, you fail to understand that a federal system to provide basic needs for all people is just as important to a great country. Here's a question for you: how many of these "parasites" that you deal with are veterans of our military? All of them are just worthless parasites that we're enabling too, right?
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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? that's what you got from my post? no wonder you are having trouble making ends meet I don't give a **** what you do with your money. the point is, social security was never designed to pay out enough money for you to live on. it was designed to supplement other retirements/savings (you have heard of saving money haven't you?)
    Again what I do with my money is my business, what you "think" SS was designed for is a mute point, whether I saved money for retirement is a mute point and none of your business

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I understood it as it was written. You were making a generalization concerning segments of society.



    Yes, everybody knows there is some abuse and we should try to prevent it. But you made wild claims about how there are thousands in every county that are just like your hyperbolic boogeyman without any proof.

    If we could could eliminate all abuse and fraud in welfare without increasing the cost of the program we would still be staring at financial ruin. You seem to want to pick on welfare recipients and ignore the real problems.
    And still do. CERTAIN SEGMENTS of our society abuse the system. Certain segments of our society are capable and able bodied and are draining needed resources from those that are NOT capable for whatever reason. That both drains fiscal resources and it perpetuates the problem enabling people to remain dependent.

    Geez dood. Have you seen any of the discussion on military spending? IM ALL OVER gutting defense spending. Have you seen my response to solving the debt crisis? Im all about gutting the fed and raising taxes to pay down the debt. However...in a discussion ABOUT welfare...Im kinda likely to FOCUS on welfare. knowwutImean Verne?

    BTW...that hyperbolic tale? That was my life from 2-4 am last night. Its fairly common. Frankly I could care less if you believe it. In a day and age where some people are trading their children for drugs and putting them in microwave ovens...I think its funny you think THAT particular account is far-fetched. Hell....thats a SLOW night.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    These kind of viewpoints make me hurt all over. You could just as easily be talking about people like the Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck and Charles Manson and claim that they are examples of why the first amendment doesn't work because it just allows bad people to become famous and worsen the world. But you would never make that claim, because you understand that the first amendment exists because it is of extreme importance to a free and fair nation. Yet somehow, you fail to understand that a federal system to provide basic needs for all people is just as important to a great country. Here's a question for you: how many of these "parasites" that you deal with are veterans of our military? All of them are just worthless parasites that we're enabling too, right?
    Howzabout instead I stick with actual accounts of fraud and the cause and effect of a handout society and watch and people like you lose your freakin minds instead.

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