Again...I find it amazing how quickly people get all pissy and defensive when the abuses to the system are pointed out. NO ONE has suggested throwing out the baby with the bath water. But by all means...please show ANYWHERE where I have ever and I mean EVER indicated we shouldnt dedicate necessary resources to those truly in NEED.
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Yes, everybody knows there is some abuse and we should try to prevent it. But you made wild claims about how there are thousands in every county that are just like your hyperbolic boogeyman without any proof.I have said on numerous occasions that there are MANY that NEED social services. YOU should be pissed at those that I described and the thousands...yes THOUSANDS that are stealing those resources from those that NEED it rather than be all pissy and indignant that I point out that in fact it is HAPPENING.
If we could could eliminate all abuse and fraud in welfare without increasing the cost of the program we would still be staring at financial ruin. You seem to want to pick on welfare recipients and ignore the real problems.
Even when Bush proposed "privatization" and changes to social security it amounted to a VOLUNTARY investment of up to 5% of your OWN income potential. I know some folks think it SHOULDNT exist but the simple reality is that it will ALWAYS exist. There SHOULD however be some very basic changes to the system. People should be offered a one time buyout of their investment (without interest). The retirement age should undergo phased increases. There SHOULD be some form of investment opportunity for individuals to invest all some or none (with the SS program taking a percentage) in secure investments (say...tied to the investments congressmen make). Reality says there NEEDS to be a revision of the system.
You can throw the baby out with the bathwater or you can live with the unintended consequences. There is no perfect solution.
... If you have a welfare program there is going to be fraud and abuse. We cannot dedicate resources to those truly in need without it getting to some people that are going to game the system. Those are actual facts, not just some fictional nonsense that I made up off the top of my head.
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Geez dood. Have you seen any of the discussion on military spending? IM ALL OVER gutting defense spending. Have you seen my response to solving the debt crisis? Im all about gutting the fed and raising taxes to pay down the debt. However...in a discussion ABOUT welfare...Im kinda likely to FOCUS on welfare. knowwutImean Verne?
BTW...that hyperbolic tale? That was my life from 2-4 am last night. Its fairly common. Frankly I could care less if you believe it. In a day and age where some people are trading their children for drugs and putting them in microwave ovens...I think its funny you think THAT particular account is far-fetched. Hell....thats a SLOW night.