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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1st line - Most only say this in response to a system without SS, not in a system with it already in place. A vast majority are not advocating to just cut people off of SS. Most are saying to end it, but still pay out all those that have in the past put money into it. So all current seniors and soon to be seniors wouldn't get it touched whatsoever.
    2nd line- i don't know anyone or any congressman/presidential candidate who wants to do that and i know a lot of people on the right wing.
    3rd line- Again i dont know of anyone that believes that, if someone does, they are jerks.

    I don't know of any presidential candidate or congressman proposing anything close to what you described above.
    1st line-Please define soon to be
    2nd line-After the deal just reached the republicans have not only their fingers but feet both of them in the SS door lets see what they do as they negotiate the next round of cuts
    3rd line- I agree

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1st line - Most only say this in response to a system without SS, not in a system with it already in place. A vast majority are not advocating to just cut people off of SS. Most are saying to end it if these same people would stop and think, long and hard, would they really take such a chance ??? , but still pay out all those that have in the past put money into it. So all current seniors and soon to be seniors wouldn't get it touched whatsoever.
    2nd line- i don't know anyone or any congressman/presidential candidate who wants to do that and i know a lot of people on the right wing.
    3rd line- Again i dont know of anyone that believes that, if someone does, they are jerks.

    I don't know of any presidential candidate or congressman proposing anything close to what you described above.
    I think, in truth, that most people want SS to stay as is...
    The writing of the polls on this question must be done very carefully.
    But, things are a bit different today than they were a century ago when SS was enacted....
    Man, himself is still the same...

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    I remain convinced that the conservatives only think about themselves and not the masses.
    "The masses can have whatever falls from the cracks".
    And this suspected attitude is the crux of the problem.
    I am one of the lazy parasites.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I think, in truth, that most people want SS to stay as is...
    The writing of the polls on this question must be done very carefully.
    But, things are a bit different today than they were a century ago when SS was enacted....
    Man, himself is still the same...
    Probably, but my aunt wanted her daughter to stay 7-years old. She tried to keep her at that age and now we have a very dysfunctioal 55-year old woman. The only significant change in SS is the amount of money workers, especially low-income workers, have to pump into the system. A little over 15% when you're making $20,000 a year is significant.

    Are the young people in American spoiled, self-indulgent, egotistical, poorly educated, selfish, or just dumb. You get to pick one. That's rather like the poll we were given, isn't it.
    Last edited by Patrickt; 08-02-11 at 12:12 PM.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Probably, but my aunt wanted her daughter to stay 7-years old. She tried to keep her at that age and now we have a very dysfunctioal 55-year old woman. The only significant change in SS is the amount of money workers, especially low-income workers, have to pump into the system. A little over 15% when you're making $20,000 a year is significant.

    Are the young people in American spoiled, self-indulgent, egotistical, poorly educated, selfish, or just dumb. You get to pick one. That's rather like the poll we were given, isn't it.
    we don't pay 15%......that's the total for both employer and employee. and in fact, the rate for employees was recently dropped.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I remain convinced that the conservatives only think about themselves and not the masses.
    "The masses can have whatever falls from the cracks".
    And this suspected attitude is the crux of the problem.
    I am one of the lazy parasites.
    The crux of modern day conservatism is ego stroking individualism. It's the whole selfish belief of: I've got mine, to hell with everyone else. It's easy to opine about cutting unemployment or subsidies for the poor if one is in a position of fortune. Political positions often reflect one's position on the food chain.
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Some of you say that those who were unable to save are irresponsible.
    Some of you say that the elderly and disabled should be just be cut off and left to fend for themselves.
    Some of you say that the elderly and disabled are parasites.

    Well, I have something to say. When I was a young man trying to get a family started I had things like kids, monthly payments, cars and other things that usually left me with less than I needed each month So, I got a second job. My wife was already working. With three jobs we could usually meet the monthly obligations, barely.

    Some months we had a few dollars left over to take the kids somewhere, or for my wife and myself to go on a date. I know, such wasteful things.

    Then as I began to slowly get ahead in my job money came easier. Then we decided to buy a house. What a great way to save and plan for the future. There is a one time capital gains tax exemption for seniors when they sell a house. We were always told that real estate was a sure thing. Well, that wasn't exactly the case.

    But we worked on through it and the market began to recover. Then the oil bust in the 80's hit. Everything in Denver went to hell. We weathered this storm as well. Thing was, our investment wasn't building like we had been told by the experts that it would. Sure, there was some equity, but far short of what we had expected.

    I'm just an average man who worked hard my entire life and I have little understanding of the stock market and how it works. Many others I know had the same problem. We had to rely on experts to tell us what was best. The same ones that caused a global financial crisis. Now we are being told we must place our faith in those same people yet again.

    I said I was average, not stupid.

    Then I left my wife after 20 years and it cost me my lifetime savings of $585,000, which included real estate and a thriving business. At over 40 I found myself broke and starting over from scratch, both in saving and career wise. Then I found that the job market was completely different, employees were now seeking a complete different set of skills than I was trained in. Damn.

    So I was forced to take a series of low paying jobs than once again did not meet my monthly obligations. My new wife was working as well. I was unable to work two jobs now as age and disease began overtaking me. Finally I got a job and worked my way up to supervisor. A job with benefits and a decent salary.

    Now my body began to fail. I was unable to perform my job duties no matter how hard I fought to. The company let me go. I applied for disability. I can barely even walk up or down the 4 steps to my home. Long term use of medication with some nasty side effects have left me mentally less than sharp. I am unhirable now. After one and a half years of fighting disability I finally have a hearing scheduled in September. My attorney feels my chances of winning are excellent, that I just had to trot through all the hoops first.

    Since I have been unemployed for a year and a half I am forced to also apply for Chapter 13 bankruptcy. If I had even tried to work during this time my disability claim would have been thrown out right away.

    Please add my ass to the previous list of asses that you can kiss. Twice.
    I personally dont think they should eliminate SS. I do think it should be radically modified. I understand there are people that CANT prepare for a retirement. I also get there are people that WONT. More than anything else i believe people have simply come to accept...they dont HAVE to...why bother...thats what SS is for. Bad message...but since that message is there...then they ought to use it as a strength. Offer people that have been more fiscally successful the opportunity to invest all some or none of their contributions. Offer individuals the opportunity to donate more to their own social security. Offer one time buyouts of direct investment for those that wont need SS. Adjust retirement age up slightly (over time). There are LOTS of things that can be done to make SS more effective, more secure, more efficient.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Why do some people think that SS is a ponzi scheme ?
    I totally disagree with this "conclusion".
    And I do know that private business cannot be completely trusted to handle a man's retirement.....truthfully the problem is the man himself...he cannot be trusted...greed is the problem.
    Leave SS alone !
    It works for me and millions more.
    People feel that way about it because you arent paying in for YOUR retirment and SS benefits...YOu right now are paying for someone elses...and ultimately have to hope that someone will be there to pay for yours.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    People feel that way about it because you arent paying in for YOUR retirment and SS benefits...YOu right now are paying for someone elses...and ultimately have to hope that someone will be there to pay for yours.
    Your wrong in 1983 the baby boomer generation started paying for their retirement in advance, now I don't give a ------ if the governement dipped into my SS money it's mine "I" paid for my retirement in advance. That is not a ponzi scheme, I expect to receive my SS benefits in full for the rest of my life and I will bet many seniors feel as I do. So go ahead dip into our SS benefits and see what the out come will be in 2012.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Your wrong in 1983 the baby boomer generation started paying for their retirement in advance, now I don't give a ------ if the governement dipped into my SS money it's mine "I" paid for my retirement in advance. That is not a ponzi scheme, I expect to receive my SS benefits in full for the rest of my life and I will bet many seniors feel as I do. So go ahead dip into our SS benefits and see what the out come will be in 2012.
    Dood...I dont know what is wrong with you...but you run around here regularly with this "waaaah they are taking away my rights" bull****. Show me. Show me where I have said that. Show me where politicians are trying to shut it down. SOME people believe it should be privatized. Some people believe it should be run differently. But to listen to you bleat on you would think people are right now holding you by the scrufff of the neck, a razor to your throat, and tellin you you shore do got a purrty mouth. Its pathetic really. Relax. No one is coming for your social security.

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