View Poll Results: Are seniors that use SS one of these...

Voters
45. You may not vote on this poll
  • Terrorists

    12 26.67%
  • Leftists

    5 11.11%
  • Lazy

    1 2.22%
  • Parasites

    27 60.00%
Page 21 of 30 FirstFirst ... 111920212223 ... LastLast
Results 201 to 210 of 300

Thread: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

  1. #201
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The bolded part is why I am financing the education of my grandchildren....so they can pay into SS.
    BUT, eventually, the SS program has to die of old age, or at least face major surgery so we can cut out the wasteful parts of it.

    The fraud alone is a huge number. My elderly neighbor is crippled and can get a scooter for $1500 out of her pocket, but the vendor gets $2500 if the govt pays for it. Why can't the govt get the scooter at the same price the vendor is offering to the citizen?

    I actually I think the Gov. should get a bulk discount.

    Are Seniors Lazy Parasites-scooter-20store-jpg

  2. #202
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you end SS medicare medicaid all pensions and paid benefits...what do you do with all the millions of people that cant save for their own old age or dont...or cant save enough...what do you do with the millions that dont have health care as they get sick...
    All the teaparty does is rail on entitlements they only OFFER solutions to get rid of them...but they dont tell US who is going to pay for all the people that dont work now who arent going to start..who cant work now...who dont make enough to do it on their own...etc etc etc....harry with all due respect...I believe your a gentleman and this is not directed at you...the teaparty is totally full of ****
    I'm not affiliated with the Tea Party, Democratic Party, Republican Party and really not even the Libertarian Party.

    I come to my ideas and beliefs from multiple sources.

    Replacing SS with a mandatory, conservatively managed, private account would be better in the long run as it does not rely on future revenues but the revenues placed in it now.

    Replacing Medicare with system, similar to what Singapore has, is my idea for everyone.
    Both sustainable solutions without giant unfunded liabilities.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #203
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You're correct, private businesses that sell retirement plans do go out of business. But, I'm sure that the government will step in a rescue who stupidly bought a retirement plan from a retirement company that they should have known would go out of business.
    The really big ones are protected by the govt, especially if it is one that holds congressional retirement funds.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  4. #204
    Guru
    deltabtry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    MA.
    Last Seen
    11-26-16 @ 03:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    4,021

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    I think SS should be done with through attrition, those who are or were forced to pay into it should benefit from it. Those who haven't entered the work force yet should be required to take another non tax funded retirement plan. That said, I disagree with that seniors should be paid what they put into it, that won't work because what seniors put into it wasn't voluntary, and denied them those funds to invest into a market which could have paid them 100 fold more than what SS pays.

    Now then there is risk associated with investment for retirement through the private sector, this is true and one remedy is getting back to a company paid pensions or retire or 401K matches. The government can this promote incentive's by hefty tax breaks amongst many other looser requirements for setting up shop.
    Last edited by deltabtry; 07-31-11 at 12:13 PM.

  5. #205
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    ....The fraud alone is a huge number. My elderly neighbor is crippled and can get a scooter for $1500 out of her pocket, but the vendor gets $2500 if the govt pays for it. Why can't the govt get the scooter at the same price the vendor is offering to the citizen?
    We bought my mother-in-law’s first scooter, a 3 wheel design, she needed one but couldn't qualify. Ten years later the government is replacing hers another one, more stable with 4 wheels. My question about your neighbor's two prices is: Are they exactly the same scooter? Or is one a cheap one and the other a safer one. BTY she has fallen with the 3 wheel scooter several times and she doesn’t have the tipping problem with the 4 wheel one. (Sorry, but I'm an engineer and when meeting with vendors I've been told things are the same when they are not, etc. So I have to ask.)

  6. #206
    Educator

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    12-06-15 @ 08:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,226

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The bolded part is why I am financing the education of my grandchildren....so they can pay into SS.
    BUT, eventually, the SS program has to die of old age, or at least face major surgery so we can cut out the wasteful parts of it.

    The fraud alone is a huge number. My elderly neighbor is crippled and can get a scooter for $1500 out of her pocket, but the vendor gets $2500 if the govt pays for it. Why can't the govt get the scooter at the same price the vendor is offering to the citizen?
    Nature of the beast. Whenever the government subsidizes something the price will rise with increased demand. Further, the government purchasing agent has little incentive to look for value or give much consideration to the desires of the end user. Their goal is to buy something/anything that will satisfy the minimal needs of the end user and expend the limit of their budget.

  7. #207
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    09-30-17 @ 12:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,661

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So are seniors who payed into social security all their lives and now live off of it in old age, lazy good for nothing leftist parasites?
    Ask me again in 8 years, three months and seven days.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

  8. #208
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    We bought my mother-in-law’s first scooter, a 3 wheel design, she needed one but couldn't qualify. Ten years later the government is replacing hers another one, more stable with 4 wheels. My question about your neighbor's two prices is: Are they exactly the same scooter? Or is one a cheap one and the other a safer one. BTY she has fallen with the 3 wheel scooter several times and she doesn’t have the tipping problem with the 4 wheel one. (Sorry, but I'm an engineer and when meeting with vendors I've been told things are the same when they are not, etc. So I have to ask.)
    Same scooter....
    they already have it, renting it til they find out if the govt pays for it. If the govt will not, their rent is applied to the purchase price.
    The same company sold them a large folding ramp for more than double the going price and I suggested that they take it back. It folded the wrong way and took up too much room in the van. I already had ramps that fold up and fit in the well at the back. He made a cover for the well that is hinged so the right side will lift up for access to the ramps with the scooter in the van..
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  9. #209
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The really big ones are protected by the govt, especially if it is one that holds congressional retirement funds.
    So you don't like a government safety net retirement program and you don't trust private retirement planes. OK. So what should we be doing, buying gold and keeping in a safe at home?

  10. #210
    Educator

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    12-06-15 @ 08:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,226

    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think SS should be done with through attrition, those who are or were forced to pay into it should benefit from it. Those who haven't entered the work force yet should be required to take another non tax funded retirement plan.
    That will not work. If the young are not forced to pay into SS there is no money to pay beneficiaries. It's possible that we could split the payroll taxes so some portion goes to the SS fund and some is allowed to be invested, but that will increase the SS deficit if we do not also reduce benefits. We could have done this split plan 10-20 years ago and we may have been able to get out of it with little to no pain, but the elderly and the AARP refused to allow that.

    That said, I disagree with that seniors should be paid what they put into it, that won't work because what seniors put into it wasn't voluntary, and denied them those funds to invest into a market which could have paid them 100 fold more than what SS pays.
    So you want some sort of fairytale system where seniors are paid generous benefits and no one is taxed? It can not work and these delusions of the perfect solution are getting in the way of solutions that may not be perfect but are at least better than doing nothing.

    Now then there is risk associated with investment for retirement through the private sector, this is true and one remedy is getting back to a company paid pensions or retire or 401K matches. The government can this promote incentive's by hefty tax breaks amongst many other looser requirements for setting up shop.
    Pensions and 401k's are both subject to market risk. But that is the solution. The more dispersed the investment decisions are the better. Pensions are often abused in the same way SS has been but at least the government can regulate them in ways to reduce risk. There is no one to regulate the government and voters have proven too stupid and irresponsible. Some sort of 401k like plans are the best solution.

    If we put all our eggs in one basket then the bad choices of just one actor screws us all. It does not remove risk. If we distribute the decisions there will be winners and losers. We will need to think about some help for the losers, but we will still be better off than the current plan.
    Last edited by BayToBay; 07-31-11 at 12:39 PM.

Page 21 of 30 FirstFirst ... 111920212223 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •