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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Free speech gives me the right to criticize the idiotic speech of others including your delusions. I can tell you to "shut up" all I like. I am not free to force you in anyway and you are free to ignore me and to continue talking like an idiot.

    Your SS will come out of your grandchildren. They will be forced to pay for your SS through income taxes as the Ponzi scheme starts to become top heavy in 2017.

    And in your few sentences you show why you generation is to blame. Your generation is responsible for the insolvency of SS and you stand in the way of doing anything to fix it now.

    Like I said, I am sure the poor and elderly will be taken care of, but it is not because they are entitled to any thing. They are welfare recipients and nothing more.
    Know what Mr Nasty...YOUR GENERATION is responsible for bending over and letting the big guys RAPE YOU...and rape every single private sector worker...they stripped the private sector of pensions benefits and brainwashed legions of dip****s that they are your LIFE SUPPORT be thankful for the little they give you...and they brainwashed you that its all the public workers and greedy senior citizens fault....your pathetic...go find a mind of your own before you decide you have a right to insult everyone else that thinks your an idiot

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    FYI. Vance Mack's anecdotal evidence is pretty accurate. Is it the majority of folks who are on SS and Medicare? No. But the numbers are pretty significant. The problem with these folks is there is neither any motivation to come off, nor is their adequate treatment provided. When you have a heroin addict, sending them to rehab for 30 days is a failure in the making. Guess what? You'll end up sending them to rehab for 30 days 6 MORE times after a couple of ER visits for ODs... or after they spend time in jail for some sort of criminal activity. All at the taxpayers expense. No one wants to make the hard choices to solve the problem; folks just want to band-aid it or pretend it doesn't exist. This is why I support drug/alcohol screens for folks on SS/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid. If you have a drug/alcohol problem and you WANT help, I support the government supporting this kind of help, in a rehab that can actually do this. Not some 30 day detox. If they don't want help... that's fine, too. But if that's the case, they get NO SS/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid. And, I do not support unlimited rehab visits, either. These folks are not the majority of people, not even close, but they are milking the system with issues that could be dealt with, if they choose. And if they do, I support government assistance. And if they don't they should get NONE.

    I've presented this plan before and it is part of my overall plan to resolve the nation's health care issues and create more financial stability.
    This is a horrible idea and is much like what Hayek detailed in "The Road to Serfdom" as the sort of thinking that leads welfare and central economic planning towards authoritarian behavior.

    When that does not work are we then going to insist that they prove they eat right? Many poor people suffer from vitamin deficiencies because they do not understand the value of a proper diet and use food as an indulgence, because it is the only one they can afford.

    Then, if that does not work, maybe we can pry a little more and a little more until we have cameras in their homes making sure they are up on time, don't stay up too late, eat right, don't use drugs, feed their mind the "proper" sorts of entertainment, etc..

    Either do away with it altogether or live with the realities of the system. If the government or anybody else is handing out money you can bet there will be some graft and abuse. That's human nature. We can go after the big fish who are doing it so carelessly that they are easy to catch, but at some point trying to squeeze out abuse will become fiscally or morally (assuming you ascribe to some theory of human rights) prohibitive.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't know anything about conservatism, but you know how to be a parasite that's plainly clear.
    This is what I do know, from the time I was old enough to pay into SS and for the next 45 years I paid a percentage of my pay check and my employer paid a matching percentage into SS the monies I paid in were paid in to be a supplement to my retirement, I am entitled to that money whether I need it to survive or not just like I am entitled to the two pensions I paid into and now collect. I worked for the benefits that I now collect no one including you gave me any thing, SS is not a hand out it's not your money, it's not the republicans or any other parties money, I am not going to get into an internet name calling contest with you, so as I stated go ahead put your fingers in SS I would love to see ther political results in 2012

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    This is a horrible idea and is much like what Hayek detailed in "The Road to Serfdom" as the sort of thinking that leads welfare and central economic planning towards authoritarian behavior.

    When that does not work are we then going to insist that they prove they eat right? Many poor people suffer from vitamin deficiencies because they do not understand the value of a proper diet and use food as an indulgence, because it is the only one they can afford.

    Then, if that does not work, maybe we can pry a little more and a little more until we have cameras in their homes making sure they are up on time, don't stay up too late, eat right, don't use drugs, feed their mind the "proper" sorts of entertainment, etc..

    Either do away with it altogether or live with the realities of the system. If the government or anybody else is handing out money you can bet there will be some graft and abuse. That's human nature. We can go after the big fish who are doing it so carelessly that they are easy to catch, but at some point trying to squeeze out abuse will become fiscally or morally (assuming you ascribe to some theory of human rights) prohibitive.
    Your last paragraph is proof you live in lala land ...the realities is every time the private sector gets a hold of our money the entire country gets screwed..I trust the govt alot more than I trust goldman sachs...

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Free speech gives me the right to criticize the idiotic speech of others including your delusions. I can tell you to "shut up" all I like. I am not free to force you in anyway and you are free to ignore me and to continue talking like an idiot.

    Your SS will come out of your grandchildren. They will be forced to pay for your SS through income taxes as the Ponzi scheme starts to become top heavy in 2017.

    And in your last few sentences you show why your generation is to blame. Your generation is responsible for the insolvency of SS and you stand in the way of doing anything to fix it now.

    Like I said, I am sure the poor and elderly will be taken care of, but it is not because they are entitled to any thing. They are welfare recipients and nothing more.
    Your entitled to your opinion, your way of expressing your opinion in this venue I find to be on the cowardly side, I was taught to talk to some one like I was looking them right in the eye. As I stated I want the repubs and their supporters to raid SS so that the voters can deal with them in 2012.

    Our government bailed out Wall Street and now threaten to try to recover that money by stealing from our countries senior citizens, this is what I say GET the Money some where else, cut some where else, increase revenues by creating some jobs for AMERICANS. There are lots of ways to tackle the deficit that should be addressed before we allow any party to steal from our seniors or any other program

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Know what Mr Nasty...YOUR GENERATION is responsible for bending over and letting the big guys RAPE YOU...and rape every single private sector worker...they stripped the private sector of pensions benefits and brainwashed legions of dip****s that they are your LIFE SUPPORT be thankful for the little they give you...and they brainwashed you that its all the public workers and greedy senior citizens fault....your pathetic...go find a mind of your own before you decide you have a right to insult everyone else that thinks your an idiot
    Non-starter. You are being overly vague. Who are these "big guys" that you think I support?

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Also, here you are whining that I am not nice to old welfare recipients. Kind of funny since I am the one arguing that we should not assume all welfare recipients are degenerate drug users or treat them as livestock that we have the right to test, prod and monitor without limit. The difference is that I am not feeding into the delusions of the "Keep the Government out of Medicare" idiots. Someone needs to abuse them of their entitlement mentality. They have not earned the enslavement of their grandchildren. If they persist, it is going to get ugly for them because it is going to get so bad that there will likely be a violent backlash. The current system is unsustainable.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    ...... A private company using the same model as social security would be equally screwed. But once you've established the system, how do you get out of it? A private company offering that kind of plan could go out of business. The government isn't so lucky.
    You're correct, private businesses that sell retirement plans do go out of business. But, I'm sure that the government will step in a rescue who stupidly bought a retirement plan from a retirement company that they should have known would go out of business.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Free speech gives me the right to criticize the idiotic speech of others including your delusions. I can tell you to "shut up" all I like. I am not free to force you in anyway and you are free to ignore me and to continue talking like an idiot.

    Your SS will come out of your grandchildren. They will be forced to pay for your SS through income taxes as the Ponzi scheme starts to become top heavy in 2017. And in your last few sentences you show why your generation is to blame. Your generation is responsible for the insolvency of SS and you stand in the way of doing anything to fix it now.

    Like I said, I am sure the poor and elderly will be taken care of, but it is not because they are entitled to any thing. They are welfare recipients and nothing more.
    The bolded part is why I am financing the education of my grandchildren....so they can pay into SS.
    BUT, eventually, the SS program has to die of old age, or at least face major surgery so we can cut out the wasteful parts of it.

    The fraud alone is a huge number. My elderly neighbor is crippled and can get a scooter for $1500 out of her pocket, but the vendor gets $2500 if the govt pays for it. Why can't the govt get the scooter at the same price the vendor is offering to the citizen?
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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    ender1, in response to my posting "They explained to me that they didnít want the government taking Medicare over and messing with it." you replied
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    Could you arrainge for me to meet them. I have an investment plan where they purchase Gold that I hold for them. Its a sure thing.
    Thanks, you made the libertarian POV very clear.

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