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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand and I don't have a choice to pay into it either, it's not right.

    I don't call people parasites.
    It doesn't do anything to help anyone.
    The question is still there harry...what do you do with the people that never make enough to support their old age...or pay for their health insurance...what do you do with the sick and the disabled that have no money...no social security no medicare....I just cant get any answer except thats their problem....nope doesnt work like that...this isnt north korea or africa or any other country that lets their people die where they fall...were not socialized like cuba who does take care of their own somewhat....So tell me what happens to them and who pays...

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The question is still there harry...what do you do with the people that never make enough to support their old age...or pay for their health insurance...what do you do with the sick and the disabled that have no money...no social security no medicare....I just cant get any answer except thats their problem....nope doesnt work like that...this isnt north korea or africa or any other country that lets their people die where they fall...were not socialized like cuba who does take care of their own somewhat....So tell me what happens to them and who pays...
    Well: if you're not planning for it then you don't get the priviledge of it - in my view.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The question is still there harry...what do you do with the people that never make enough to support their old age...or pay for their health insurance...what do you do with the sick and the disabled that have no money...no social security no medicare....I just cant get any answer except thats their problem....nope doesnt work like that...this isnt north korea or africa or any other country that lets their people die where they fall...were not socialized like cuba who does take care of their own somewhat....So tell me what happens to them and who pays...

    Most of those people want to contribute. And they try as hard as they can to do that. We might always not understand. But these people that you are talking about want to and will try to do the best, they more so than the common person.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I know, but that's all they get. People on SSI get less than $700 a month. Currently, SS is not being adjusted for cost of living increases. But the point is, they paid even less into the system to begin with.
    It is adjusted for cost of living. The highest possible benefit is 2,366 a month.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    SSI is $674 for individuals and $1011 for couples but I'm not sure states don't add to that. I know people on SSI who were drawing more than that. They are also eligible for Medicaid, Section 8 housing, and other government benefits. I live in Mexico and we get a few people on SSI because the cost of living here is cheaper.
    The benefit is dependent on what you pay in. It is not a fixed or flat amount.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The question is still there harry...what do you do with the people that never make enough to support their old age...or pay for their health insurance...what do you do with the sick and the disabled that have no money...no social security no medicare....I just cant get any answer except thats their problem....nope doesnt work like that...this isnt north korea or africa or any other country that lets their people die where they fall...were not socialized like cuba who does take care of their own somewhat....So tell me what happens to them and who pays...
    Those who are poor and elderly should get their benefits. Those who are still prospering should be cutoff. They don't need it and it is insane that poor young people are being taxed to support them.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    I don't understand the basis or justification behind a mandatory insurance plan run by an inefficient third party. Why should individual citizens be forced to contribute in a wasteful "insurance" program? Whether they receive their earnings now as they please or in the future should all be based on their own personal preferences and will. The only certifiable solutions to the insolvency of this system is a market-based approach to retirement investments. Citizens could create a whole lot more out of their savings if given the authority to do so.

    If we look at the social programs in place now, we see that (based primarily on the burdens of SS and medicare obligations), we spend far more our senior citizens than we do our children. The disparity is close to 6:1. This is despite the fact that the elderly often make up a higher income bracket. As we now pay more into programs that favor the welfare of people who have already spent their entire lives working and saving for their retirement, we soon will be forced to take a number of controversial and unfair reforms to maintain the current system. These reforms include reducing the benefits for future retirees and/or implementing trillion-dollar tax increases and/or extending the age at which beneficiaries receive payments. All of these reforms will essentially mean the younger generation will pay more and receive less.

    In the 40s and 50s, when there was something like 35 working individuals for every 1 retiree, SS and medicare were not viewed as a fiscal crisis. Now that the demographic shifts predict a worker-retiree ratio of 3:1, it is simply unsustainable in its current structure. Privatization of SS, at some level, is inevitable.

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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I don't understand the basis or justification behind a mandatory insurance plan run by an inefficient third party.
    It was the only viable alternative the Republicans could come up with to single payer system:

    "I still don't see what the objection is to the idea that people should not be allowed to run around without at least some basic health insurance," said Mark Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.

    Emphasizing personal responsibility, Pauly and other conservatives have argued that the uninsured incur medical bills as other Americans do; the tab is just picked up by someone else.

    In 1991, Pauly wrote an influential plan for universal health coverage that relied on an insurance mandate to prevent people from "shifting costs to others." At the time, Washington was gearing up for a major debate over rising healthcare costs and covering the uninsured that would culminate in President Clinton's failed 1993 healthcare initiative.

    Liberals, reluctant to leave the problem to the private sector, were pushing to create more government health insurance programs like Medicare or to require employers to offer health benefits.

    "We were thinking, if you wanted to achieve universal coverage, what was the way to do it if you didn't do single payer?" said Paul Feldstein, a health economist at UC Irvine, who co-wrote the 1991 plan with Pauly.

    Feldstein and Pauly compared mandatory health insurance to requirements to pay for Social Security, auto insurance or workers' compensation.

    So too did the Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler, who in 1989 wrote a health plan that also included an insurance requirement.

    "If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car," Butler told a Tennessee health conference."



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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The question is still there harry...what do you do with the people that never make enough to support their old age...or pay for their health insurance...what do you do with the sick and the disabled that have no money...no social security no medicare....I just cant get any answer except thats their problem....nope doesnt work like that...this isnt north korea or africa or any other country that lets their people die where they fall...were not socialized like cuba who does take care of their own somewhat....So tell me what happens to them and who pays...
    Honestly you're not listening.
    That's been the problem all along.

    You guys have been taking the political hyperbole and have been repeating it as if it were truth.
    The arguments for privatization and partial privatization have nearly always been for far future retirees and not for the near future retirees.

    Current benefits need to be means tested and tapered off, with the institution of conservatively managed personal accounts, with the option for some people to take on more risk.
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    Re: Are Seniors Lazy Parasites

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was the only viable alternative the Republicans could come up with to single payer system:

    "I still don't see what the objection is to the idea that people should not be allowed to run around without at least some basic health insurance," said Mark Pauly, a conservative health economist at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.

    Emphasizing personal responsibility, Pauly and other conservatives have argued that the uninsured incur medical bills as other Americans do; the tab is just picked up by someone else.

    In 1991, Pauly wrote an influential plan for universal health coverage that relied on an insurance mandate to prevent people from "shifting costs to others." At the time, Washington was gearing up for a major debate over rising healthcare costs and covering the uninsured that would culminate in President Clinton's failed 1993 healthcare initiative.

    Liberals, reluctant to leave the problem to the private sector, were pushing to create more government health insurance programs like Medicare or to require employers to offer health benefits.

    "We were thinking, if you wanted to achieve universal coverage, what was the way to do it if you didn't do single payer?" said Paul Feldstein, a health economist at UC Irvine, who co-wrote the 1991 plan with Pauly.

    Feldstein and Pauly compared mandatory health insurance to requirements to pay for Social Security, auto insurance or workers' compensation.

    So too did the Heritage Foundation's Stuart Butler, who in 1989 wrote a health plan that also included an insurance requirement.

    "If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car," Butler told a Tennessee health conference."



    Health Insurance Requirement | Healthcare law: Requirement to buy insurance was long a GOP concept - Los Angeles Times
    Those statements negate the fact that, as of today, Medicare recipients enjoy costly treatment and unlimited buffet-style health care that is largely financed entirely by current working individuals. The recipients, themselves, receive far more in benefits than what was originally put in. See the rising high cost of health care and compare it to the amount paid into the system decades prior. Both medicare and SS are simply unsustainable based on the changing demographic shifts. You may think that it is still possible to see the same returns when only 3 workers instead of 35 are paying for the health care of 1 retiree. However, the incredible rising cost of such treatment and care for one medicare recipient is a financial obligation that 3 workers cannot simply fulfill.

    In truth, Americans today are obligated to repair the young man's Porsche, even with the mandated government insurance program. Unfortunately, America can no longer afford to bail out even the well-insured.

    I've heard the comparison to auto insurance made before. The original purpose of auto insurance mandates was not to ensure the welfare of the accident victim, but to reduce the high number of lawsuits resulting from uninsured motorists. These lawsuits generally cost the taxpayer (a third party) far more than is necessary or convenient. I'm generally not opposed to legislation that attempts to protect unaffected third parties from swallowing the costs of other people's mistakes and misfortunes. You can't use the taxpayer as an instrument of campaign for universal health care. Though the costs are currently swallowed by unaffected third party taxpayers, a system which subsidizes health insurance for all and which is financed exclusively by the taxpayer is only amplifying the burden on the unaffected third-party. The bottom line is your lifestyle and the consequences of such a lifestyle is none of my business, nor is it reason to demand my obligation.

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