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  • Employers and landlords should not be banned from asking about any criminal history

    18 35.29%
  • Employees and landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    9 17.65%
  • Only employers should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    0 0%
  • Only landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    1 1.96%
  • Employers should be allowed to ask about crimes are "significantly related"

    1 1.96%
  • Landlords should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

    0 0%
  • Both should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No one is saying convicted felons shouldn't live or work anywhere. A lot of employers and land lords are not going to turn someone away because of a applicants past. Are you saying you would hire a convicted child molester to watch your kids?
    If there is any equally qualified other baby sitter available, no. I don't think anyone is saying that criminals are better than everyone else- just that they are equal. If there was no one else available, and the man had served his time and been released, then I would, yes. He committed his crime and suffered his punishment. If a psychiatrist says he is likely to commit the same action again, then he shouldn't be in the public- he should be in a mental institution getting help until he can sort out his problems. The fact that he is in the public means that he should be able to handle all the responsibilities being in the public entails. As I stated previously, I trust the people with criminal psychology degrees who work in prisons to prevent people who are still a danger to the public to prevent them from presenting and acting on that dangerous impulse on other people.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Landlords should mind they own. As long they getting paid why worry over it
    HAve you ever rented an apartment or house to anyone? The landloards are minding their business since they own the property and are the ones that will have to pay to fix any issues after they evict the person who was living there.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    If there is any equally qualified other baby sitter available, no. I don't think anyone is saying that criminals are better than everyone else- just that they are equal. If there was no one else available, and the man had served his time and been released, then I would, yes. He committed his crime and suffered his punishment. If a psychiatrist says he is likely to commit the same action again, then he shouldn't be in the public- he should be in a mental institution getting help until he can sort out his problems. The fact that he is in the public means that he should be able to handle all the responsibilities being in the public entails. As I stated previously, I trust the people with criminal psychology degrees who work in prisons to prevent people who are still a danger to the public to prevent them from presenting and acting on that dangerous impulse on other people.
    Largely, the system doesn't work like that. The number of released sex-offenders convicted of crimes against children who will repeat offend is much, much larger than the number who won't, excluding those convincted of statuatory rape.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Not only do you have a right to know about it, you have a right to run a background check which will reveal it. These are matters of public record.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not only do you have a right to know about it, you have a right to run a background check which will reveal it. These are matters of public record.
    As one of my favorite books says, one of my most valued rights is the right to be left alone. If you don't trust me enough to accept me without running a background check, that's fine. But I demand the right to not have that information revealed to the general public unless I choose to release it. If the police are in an investigation and I'm a suspect, I have no problem with they're having access to that information. But if I go to a restaurant and the owner won't serve me without a credit check, I have no desire for him to be able to paw through all my personal history. There's a reason that that stuff is called your personal history.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh joy, more dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice from the king of dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice himself, Dave Ramsey.

    I agree with him that state universities are a good investment, I agree that working part-time while in school is a good way to pay for it, I agree with him that students can seek out scholarships, and I agree with him that it's helpful to be born in a family that plans for your future. The problem with this advice is that an 18-year-old working a crappy part-time job is barely going to be able to pay his own living expenses (much less pay for college), not everyone is eligible for scholarships, and not everyone has a family who is willing to foot the bill. Taking on debt to get a worthwhile degree from a reasonably-priced state university is absolutely a good investment.

    Refusing to take on debt for anything (with your strange exception of a mortgage, which truly IS a bad investment) is not practical nor desirable for most people.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh joy, more dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice from the king of dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice himself, Dave Ramsey.

    I agree with him that state universities are a good investment, I agree that working part-time while in school is a good way to pay for it, I agree with him that students can seek out scholarships, and I agree with him that it's helpful to be born in a family that plans for your future. The problem with this advice is that an 18-year-old working a crappy part-time job is barely going to be able to pay his own living expenses (much less pay for college), not everyone is eligible for scholarships, and not everyone has a family who is willing to foot the bill. Taking on debt to get a worthwhile degree from a reasonably-priced state university is absolutely a good investment.
    If he helps people, how is being dumbed down a bad thing? Secondly - for being so dumbed down you certainly agree with that dumbed down advice.

    Lastly, your logic doesn't work... you argue an 18 year old crappy part-time job can pay for living expense or college yet you agree it's a good debt to take on. How is it a good debt if the student cannot pay it off (via the crappy job)?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    If you keep the sex offenders busy, they won't give a f*ck about your daughters since they can go get more legitimate fun. The more you antagonize them, the more likely they are to retaliate by raping. It gives them a sense of control over their lives when you deny them it. If you give them a job, encourage them to spend their money in ways that make them happy with life, and generally give them ways they can regain their own sense of control over their destiny, I don't think you will see them raping too many women. But then again- that would require actually spending your time and efforts to help them, and unfortunately not too many people are willing to do that. We're so scared that their past will define their future, we never give them an opportunity to change.
    Do you understand what drives a person to comit rape and sexual assault? I don't think giving them a job will fix the problem because chances are when they first commited the act they had a job and a home.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Do they also have a right to look into their medical history, into their friendship circle, and into their daily habits? Everything a person does can effect their employment and what they do in the place they live in. Checking their criminal history to see if they have ever committed a crime is no different from checking their medical history to see if they have a history of drunkards...it's just as likely to affect their current life practices, and I find it just as ridiculous. Peoples' past habits do not define their present actions. The sooner we as a people figure that out and stop judging people based on mistakes they made previous, the better.
    What people do and have done define who they are. Running from and hiding from it do not make them instantly better people or people who will not commit further crimes and to deny people who will hire them or live on their property the right to know this is just negligance.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Lastly, your logic doesn't work... you argue an 18 year old crappy part-time job can pay for living expense or college yet you agree it's a good debt to take on. How is it a good debt if the student cannot pay it off (via the crappy job)?
    Because if he goes to a public school and gets a useful degree, then he can get a non-crappy job which pays better and THEN pay off the student debt.
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