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  • Employers and landlords should not be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Employees and landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Only employers should be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Only landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Employers should be allowed to ask about crimes are "significantly related"

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    I agree with this. I think that crimes should be assigned a time limit after which they vanish off your record or something, if records are going to be public property. Maybe 3 years for vandalism, 5 years for small-time theft or rape, and 10-20 years for a grand theft depending on the scale. I'm thinking like 1 year for things like bankruptcy- inability to pay off a debt resulting in a short sentence or a fine. Repeat offenders for each thing get their criminal record time doubled each time, repeat sex offenders of any kind get life in jail.


    So... you think that rape is basically no more serious than petty theft? Seriously?

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post


    So... you think that rape is basically no more serious than petty theft? Seriously?
    See how simple this choice would be: Convicted felons shouldn’t work or live anywhere.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    There's obviously a problem when a felony arrest basically blacklists them for life. I think there should be more opportunities for past convictions to be expunged from one's record because of this, especially in the case of felony convictions, regardless of the crime.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    If you keep the sex offenders busy, they won't give a f*ck about your daughters since they can go get more legitimate fun. The more you antagonize them, the more likely they are to retaliate by raping. It gives them a sense of control over their lives when you deny them it. If you give them a job, encourage them to spend their money in ways that make them happy with life, and generally give them ways they can regain their own sense of control over their destiny, I don't think you will see them raping too many women. But then again- that would require actually spending your time and efforts to help them, and unfortunately not too many people are willing to do that. We're so scared that their past will define their future, we never give them an opportunity to change.
    I still don't want them in my building and I have every right to keep them out.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    A credit check? So now we're checking to see if they even spend correctly? What are you going to do next, investigate their dating background and give them a blood test for terminal diseases? I don't see where the line is here. It seems like people can just keep getting more and more personal. What makes what you're doing right and checking for race, gender, or musical preference wrong? I'm not saying you can't go to the police and ask for a criminal record check...I'm just saying that I should have the right to say that you can't have it. If you deny me based on that ground then whatever, I don't care- it's your loss of business, I can just go to a different place that does let me in.
    If someone has a history of not paying bills, including rent, then I very much have the right to know about it and make decisions to rent out accordingly.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If someone has a history of not paying bills, including rent, then I very much have the right to know about it and make decisions to rent out accordingly.
    Maybe someone has a job? Maybe someone has difficulty finding a job? Maybe instead of denying them residency because they haven't been paying their bills, you could take half an hour out of your day and figure out why they aren't paying the bills, maybe even point them towards a psychiatrist if they need one or a job if they need one? Then you get a tenant who trusts you, and you get the money that results from the tenant staying there. =) I know it's a crazy, unstable world out there, I'm not denying that. But maybe by helping a few people, you'll discover as I have that the world is only as crazy as you let it be. If everyone stopped twice, for a total of one hour, and asked someone who was homeless and/or jobless why, and tried to help them with their problem, I think that a lot of people would be surprised at how much improvement could be achieved. If that happened everyday, I think a lot of people would be very surprised at how many problems would mysteriously vanish overnight as people received the assistance they need. Or, you can keep judging people and banning them from the estate, as is your right, and we can just pretend like the problems in society don't affect us.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Maybe someone has a job? Maybe someone has difficulty finding a job? Maybe instead of denying them residency because they haven't been paying their bills, you could take half an hour out of your day and figure out why they aren't paying the bills, maybe even point them towards a psychiatrist if they need one or a job if they need one? Then you get a tenant who trusts you, and you get the money that results from the tenant staying there. =) I know it's a crazy, unstable world out there, I'm not denying that. But maybe by helping a few people, you'll discover as I have that the world is only as crazy as you let it be. If everyone stopped twice, for a total of one hour, and asked someone who was homeless and/or jobless why, and tried to help them with their problem, I think that a lot of people would be surprised at how much improvement could be achieved. If that happened everyday, I think a lot of people would be very surprised at how many problems would mysteriously vanish overnight as people received the assistance they need. Or, you can keep judging people and banning them from the estate, as is your right, and we can just pretend like the problems in society don't affect us.
    And that is exactly what I would do. I don't know what you see in what I have posted that would tell you otherwise. I would like to KNOW the history and then I can go from there. I have two apartments I rent out and have never had problems with rent payments. One had a questionable history but had a decent job and she paid every month. But I have the right to know and then make my own decision.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    I agree with this. I think that crimes should be assigned a time limit after which they vanish off your record or something, if records are going to be public property. Maybe 3 years for vandalism, 5 years for small-time theft or rape, and 10-20 years for a grand theft depending on the scale. I'm thinking like 1 year for things like bankruptcy- inability to pay off a debt resulting in a short sentence or a fine. Repeat offenders for each thing get their criminal record time doubled each time, repeat sex offenders of any kind get life in jail.
    Why is rape on the same level as petty theft and not above grand theft? Shouldn't violent crimes have a higher period of time than theft? I


    I do like the idea of erasing records after a certain period of time.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You didn't have this forthright choice: Convicted felons shouldn’t work or live anywhere. At least half the votes would be for this option.
    No one is saying convicted felons shouldn't live or work anywhere. A lot of employers and land lords are not going to turn someone away because of a applicants past. Are you saying you would hire a convicted child molester to watch your kids?
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    I owe an apology to the people on this thread- I intended to put rape in the 10-20 years area under grand theft, I made a typo and didn't notice until now. I'm not going to edit it though because that would make everyone else look slightly odd. But no, I don't consider rape like petty theft, I consider it under the same category as grand theft. I sincerely apologize for the typo and the ensuing confusion and disdain that resulted from it.

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