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  • Employers and landlords should not be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Employees and landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    9 17.65%
  • Only employers should be banned from asking about any criminal history

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  • Only landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    1 1.96%
  • Employers should be allowed to ask about crimes are "significantly related"

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  • Landlords should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

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  • Both should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    my oldest son lived in just such a place for a couple of months. there were door to door crack salesmen and prostitutes
    I have lived in three residencies that didn't require a criminal background check, though two of them required credit checks...I have never seen a door to door crack salesmen in all that time (15 years) and there were no prostitutes within 2 miles radius of my apartment, unless someone brought them in, in which case there was a universally accepted "Keep it secret and quiet" policy. No offense, but your oldest son must have terrible taste in living quarters. The people in the places I stayed kept to themselves, performed their jobs, and in general we kept the place tidy and clean. The police only visited twice in all that time, once to catch a drug dealer and once to shut down a party at 4 am that was still going too loudly after their 2nd warning. These people for the most part didn't get in each others way and just left each other alone. I was never bothered about anyone else, no one asked me any questions, as long as we paid the rent no one cared that we were using that space. I left no record behind me when I left, they don't keep track of your name or contact information. It's simply a nice way of living without having to worry about the government constantly staring over your shoulder and monitoring you. I honestly don't understand why people put up with places that keep asking you for more information about yourself, that seem to want to know every detail of your life. I'm just as happy where no one asks questions because your business is no one's but your own.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    I have lived in three residencies that didn't require a criminal background check, though two of them required credit checks...I have never seen a door to door crack salesmen in all that time (15 years) and there were no prostitutes within 2 miles radius of my apartment, unless someone brought them in, in which case there was a universally accepted "Keep it secret and quiet" policy. No offense, but your oldest son must have terrible taste in living quarters. The people in the places I stayed kept to themselves, performed their jobs, and in general we kept the place tidy and clean. The police only visited twice in all that time, once to catch a drug dealer and once to shut down a party at 4 am that was still going too loudly after their 2nd warning. These people for the most part didn't get in each others way and just left each other alone. I was never bothered about anyone else, no one asked me any questions, as long as we paid the rent no one cared that we were using that space. I left no record behind me when I left, they don't keep track of your name or contact information. It's simply a nice way of living without having to worry about the government constantly staring over your shoulder and monitoring you. I honestly don't understand why people put up with places that keep asking you for more information about yourself, that seem to want to know every detail of your life. I'm just as happy where no one asks questions because your business is no one's but your own.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's why I built a house.
    Those who can afford the materials to do so and the time spent owning two properties (one where you live and one where you're building) are truly fortunate...the rest of us must make do with what is currently available.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    I honestly don't understand why people put up with places that keep asking you for more information about yourself, that seem to want to know every detail of your life.
    Using myself as an example, I gave my current landlord everything she asked for, and quite fast even by her standards, because the place on on a great piece of property, excellent location, and for slightly lower then fair-market value.

    She chose me as a tenant over others due to my steady job history, clean criminal and DMV, and am willing to comply with all their little rules others may find annoying....such as absolutely no pets in the building, not even fish, at all, ever.

    My sis didn't like that she couldn't bring her dog in even for a few minutes. She had to leave him in the bed of her truck, and then she also had to leash him, as per the rules.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    I have to ask one question: clean DMV? Does that mean if you had been in a car accident once, say you ran a red and t-boned someone without causing any major injuries or deaths, that you might not have gotten the place? Otherwise, if you honestly care that little about your privacy, more power to you. It's good that some people are willing to take those spots, or else control freaks would never have anyone to monitor and control.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    I have to ask one question: clean DMV? Does that mean if you had been in a car accident once, say you ran a red and t-boned someone without causing any major injuries or deaths, that you might not have gotten the place?
    Pretty much anything more then a parking ticket or minor moving violation disqualified any applicant; and remains cause to evict, I might add, as per the terms of the lease.

    Basically, if an applicant is such an absent minded retard that they don't even pay attention to street lights, then she sure as hell didn't want that person driving around on her lots where there's always children playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Otherwise, if you honestly care that little about your privacy, more power to you.
    It's like submitting a resume: it's not an issue of how much I care about my privacy, it's about me marketing myself to the landlord so she chooses me over my competition. I pulled no punch. I had all the paperwork professionally assembled with the token application fee paid the same day. Hell I even wore my uniform to the 'tenant interview'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    It's good that some people are willing to take those spots, or else control freaks would never have anyone to monitor and control.
    I'm sorry you hold onto an inaccurate view of the situation. I saw what I wanted and I went for it. I consider the permissions she wanted as part of her asking price, and imo I still got a deal. This place is awesome.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    The problem is that even if you make if illegal for employers to ask about a personal's criminal background, there are so many other ways to obtain that information. If you committed an assault ten years ago and your name appeared in the local newspaper, it will still be possible to see a record of your crime simply by typing your name in a search engine. There has to be incentives for businesses to take risks to hire ex-cons, like tax breaks or compensation by the state if the person turns out to be a poor worker or commits another crime while employed.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    The problem is that even if you make if illegal for employers to ask about a personal's criminal background, there are so many other ways to obtain that information. If you committed an assault ten years ago and your name appeared in the local newspaper, it will still be possible to see a record of your crime simply by typing your name in a search engine.
    This is true. It won't stop an employer from learning about someone's past if they are determined to do so. But I think that making the practice illegal just erects one more barrier to doing so...a barrier that many employers will not cross, either simply because it's illegal or because it's just not worth the hassle to circumvent the law. I also think that the "criminal background check" companies need to be reined in. They provide a valuable service, so I don't want to shut them down...but the type of crimes that they're allowed to report to their customers (the potential employers/landlords) should be regulated IMO.

    There has to be incentives for businesses to take risks to hire ex-cons, like tax breaks or compensation by the state if the person turns out to be a poor worker or commits another crime while employed.
    I agree with this. I think that one of the problems is that in our tort system, an employer can be held liable for the actions of an employee, if the employer knows or should have known that they have a history of similar misdeeds. To some extent this makes sense, but I think that employers are so terrified of lawsuits that many of them will categorically reject ANYONE who has been convicted of a crime, even if it's not really relevant.

    I agree with those who have suggested a statute of limitations for crimes to show up on a criminal background check: Maybe 10 years after prison release for murder/rape, 5 years for other violent crimes, 2 years for nonviolent felonies, and misdemeanors and/or drug offenses don't show up at all. And for the period of time following their release when the crime DOES show up on the record, perhaps the government could encourage their employment (in fields unrelated to their crime) by taking legal responsibility for the ex-con's on-the-job actions itself instead of forcing the employer to do so. Just a thought...I'm not sure if it would work in practice.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    As one of my favorite books says, one of my most valued rights is the right to be left alone. If you don't trust me enough to accept me without running a background check, that's fine. But I demand the right to not have that information revealed to the general public unless I choose to release it. If the police are in an investigation and I'm a suspect, I have no problem with they're having access to that information. But if I go to a restaurant and the owner won't serve me without a credit check, I have no desire for him to be able to paw through all my personal history. There's a reason that that stuff is called your personal history.
    Demand anything you want, it doesn't mean a damn thing. If you do something that's in the public purview, it becomes public knowledge. Don't want it to be available? Don't do it in the first place. If that restaurant insists on running a credit check and you don't want them to, go elsewhere. If the apartment manager is going to run your credit and you don't want him to, live somewhere else. It's going to limit your choices, but you certainly have the right to take your business elsewhere if you don't like how things are done.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Sometimes people make stupid mistakes. If people were as forgiving regarding past mistakes and tried to help other people instead of being anxious to protect their own image, this discussion would have died like 5 pages ago...

    I get it: you don't trust people who have past criminal records. I wonder if societies disdain for people with a criminal record has anything to do with the percent of criminals who are repeat offenders....
    It's called being responsible for your actions, stupid or otherwise. Like it or not, there are somethings that, once you do them, they can never be undone. Don't like that? Don't do it in the first place. Stupidity is not an excuse.
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