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  • Employers and landlords should not be banned from asking about any criminal history

    18 35.29%
  • Employees and landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    9 17.65%
  • Only employers should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    0 0%
  • Only landlords should be banned from asking about any criminal history

    1 1.96%
  • Employers should be allowed to ask about crimes are "significantly related"

    1 1.96%
  • Landlords should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

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  • Both should be allowed to ask about crimes that are "significantly related"

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh joy, more dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice from the king of dumbed-down and oversimplified financial advice himself, Dave Ramsey.
    Kindly post your personal credentials so that we may compare them with the credentials of Dave Ramsey, and we will see which of you is the dumb one.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Yep, I guess so. If I stop responding suddenly in about a month, it means the latest kid I'm taking in raped me then killed me in my sleep, and you're proven correct.



    A credit check? So now we're checking to see if they even spend correctly? What are you going to do next, investigate their dating background and give them a blood test for terminal diseases? I don't see where the line is here. It seems like people can just keep getting more and more personal. What makes what you're doing right and checking for race, gender, or musical preference wrong? I'm not saying you can't go to the police and ask for a criminal record check...I'm just saying that I should have the right to say that you can't have it. If you deny me based on that ground then whatever, I don't care- it's your loss of business, I can just go to a different place that does let me in.
    Well if they are going to be renting from me I would want to know that they will be paying their rent. Why is that such a hard thing for you to understand? Do you know how difficult it is to evict someone these days? When you apply for a mortgage they do a credit check? Should they stop doing that as well? How about for car loans and credit cards? You make no sense with your statements. You simply want to turn the other check and get it smacked as well.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by muskrat1973 View Post
    Do you understand what drives a person to comit rape and sexual assault? I don't think giving them a job will fix the problem because chances are when they first commited the act they had a job and a home.
    Usually what drives a person to commit rape/sexual assault is some kind of mental complex- they either wanted someone they couldn't get, or had someone they couldn't control, or they were controlled too much and need a way to vent. Much of the time, all someone needs to get rid of a control complex is some time spent where they can regain control over their lives. Just because someone has a job and a home doesn't mean they feel like they are in control- maybe there's an dominating spouse or boss that's depriving them of the decision-making power they desire. Maybe they have a gorgeous cubicle-mate whose pants they can't get into. Whatever it is, usually providing those kinds of people with the opportunity to make decisions about their work and home makes them feel better. Obviously, that won't fix 100% of problems. Sometimes people need someone else they can control, and if there is no one available they find someone attractive and force them to obey. That kind of problem requires mental therapy- but judging them and being bigoted against them doesn't help. Telling someone with that kind of a problem that because of their past, you won't give them a place to stay is most likely to just ignite their old feelings of frustration and inability to deal with the lack of control, and then they may vent on you. I find that the more power over their lives you give these people, the less likely they are to repeat their actions. Problem is, everyone is too scared to just give them that opportunity at a second chance, which is resulting in these people frequently exploding. I have dealt with the problem, having had relatives and friends who were control freaks who were unable to seize control of their own existence, and therefore tried to feel in control by controlling other people. But there are a lot of adults in the world who if put in the same circumstance would have that problem, but instead have been given opportunities by others to get ahead in life, and through control over their day-to-day actions are able to quell the need for control they feel.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Kindly post your personal credentials so that we may compare them with the credentials of Dave Ramsey, and we will see which of you is the dumb one.
    To what kind of credentials are you referring? If you're talking in terms of formal education, I'm certainly more qualified than he is (I have an MBA, and he has the comparable bachelor's degree). If you're talking in terms of appealing to mass audiences with oversimplified platitudes that don't always work in practice, then I confess he probably has me beat.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    To what kind of credentials are you referring? If you're talking in terms of formal education, I'm certainly more qualified than he is (I have an MBA, and he has the comparable bachelor's degree). If you're talking in terms of appealing to mass audiences with oversimplified platitudes that don't always work in practice, then I confess he probably has me beat.
    Links or you have no such thing.

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    a criminal record can haunt people for the rest of their lives and sometimes they are never really able to overcome it and start over.
    something to think about BEFORE you commit the crime

    if people worried as much about avoiding getting a criminal record as they did about hiding one, perhaps we wouldn't be having as many of these discussions
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    something to think about BEFORE you commit the crime

    if people worried as much about avoiding getting a criminal record as they did about hiding one, perhaps we wouldn't be having as many of these discussions
    Sometimes people make stupid mistakes. If people were as forgiving regarding past mistakes and tried to help other people instead of being anxious to protect their own image, this discussion would have died like 5 pages ago...

    I get it: you don't trust people who have past criminal records. I wonder if societies disdain for people with a criminal record has anything to do with the percent of criminals who are repeat offenders....

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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Belgarath View Post
    Sometimes people make stupid mistakes.

    I wonder if societies disdain for people with a criminal record has anything to do with the percent of criminals who are repeat offenders....
    yeah, funny how many people keep making the same "stupid mistakes" over and over and over again.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    something to think about BEFORE you commit the crime

    if people worried as much about avoiding getting a criminal record as they did about hiding one, perhaps we wouldn't be having as many of these discussions
    Well, people often DON'T think before they commit crimes. That's the whole problem. But with most crimes there is no reason to punish them for life and make it difficult for them to start over...that's stupid and counterproductive, and leads to more recidivism. Now, there are obviously exceptions where it's important for an employer/landlord to know about certain crimes. But in most cases, it just makes it more difficult for people to stay on the right side of the law and get their life back together. Helping people find jobs will discourage more criminal activity, but a criminal record inhibits their ability to find a job.
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    Re: Should employers & landlords be prohibited from asking applicants if they have a

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, people often DON'T think before they commit crimes. That's the whole problem. But with most crimes there is no reason to punish them for life and make it difficult for them to start over...that's stupid and counterproductive, and leads to more recidivism. Now, there are obviously exceptions where it's important for an employer/landlord to know about certain crimes. But in most cases, it just makes it more difficult for people to stay on the right side of the law and get their life back together. Helping people find jobs will discourage more criminal activity, but a criminal record inhibits their ability to find a job.
    from my experience, most employers or landlords don't give a rat's ass if you got a DUI 25 years ago or if you smoked a little weed in college. those are the kind of "stupid mistakes" that I could forgive.

    I am hard pressed to think of a crime that would qualify as a "stupid mistake" that would keep someone from hiring you or renting you an apartment. can you help me out with a couple of examples?
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