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Should the farming of hemp and or marijuana be allowed in the U.S.?

Should the farming of hemp and or marijuana be allowed? Please select all that apply

  • Marijuana (Cannabis indica) should not be farmed for any use

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Marijuana (Cannabis indica) should be farmed for medicinal purposes

    Votes: 22 55.0%

  • Marijuana (Cannabis indica) should be farmed for purposes similar to those of alcohol and tobacco

    Votes: 26 65.0%

  • Farming Marijuana and or Hemp would boost our economy

    Votes: 29 72.5%

  • Hemp (Cannabis indica) should never be farmed

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Hemp (Cannabis indica) should be farmed

    Votes: 24 60.0%

  • Hemp should not be farmed, as law enforcement cannot tell it apart from Marijuana

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Hemp should be farmed, as it is looks noticeably different from Marijuana

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • Marijuana and Hemp are both principally the same as they both can be used recreationally

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Marijuana and Hemp are different plants; Hemp does not contain enough THC to be used recreationally

    Votes: 13 32.5%
  • Total voters
    40
The Mark said:
Of course.

It's not like there are probably 15-30 people I know or know of who have used or currently use weed [among other things?] (rumor and innuendo, of course :mrgreen:), including multiple co-workers and some if not all of my bosses.
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I could tell by your posts that you did. Pot is not good for you, we don't need another recreational drug, alcohol and tobacco are bad enough, why have another one? The reason is that we already have one. The fact that it is outlawed doesn't, IMO, keep people from using it. What it does is create violence on the border, fund gangs and cartels, and drive it underground.
 
digsbe said:
Do I have to support those things? I said we don't need anymore psychoactive drugs on the market. Drugs and tobacco are bad and they're enough/

Smoking marijuana bathes the lungs in powerful carcinogens which leads to cancer (much like cigarettes). We see how harmful alcohol and tobacco are, why legalize another harmful drug? THC is available in prescription form via the trade name Dronabinol. Dronabinol is a CII. Why not just legalize other CII's like morphine, Oxycontin, and other drugs for public recreational use? Doing so is foolish. Marijuana should not be legalize. THC does have some medical benefits, which is why there is prescription THC available. There is no need to legalize weed.
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Okay. What if we got rid of tobacco and had marijuana and alcohol instead? I'd much prefer that.
 
digsbe said:
To be consistent, if people have the right to take THC for psychoactive affects, then why not legalize Oxycontin, morphine, fentanyl, and other drugs to be used over the counter for their psychoactive affects?
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Actually, I'm all for that.
 
digsbe said:
The solution to the drug war is to lessen the penalty for drug use. Instead of jail time slap violators with fines. I agree that locking people up for marijuana use isn't the correct thing to do. It deserves a fine which would help offset the costs of the war on drugs (which also goes to fund preventing the use of more harmful drugs like meth and heroine).
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Why should we base revenue to pay for drug prevention on the penalties for possession, manufacturing, and distribution of recreational drugs when instead we could get just as much, but more likely more, revenue by to pay for drug prevention and rehabilitation by taxing all recreational drugs?
 
Aderleth said:
I think it's interesting that we've only got one anti-marijuana person chiming in so far. I support legalization of both products for whatever uses our sneaky little minds can concoct. I also think it's ludicrous that marijuana is currently a schedule I drug along with a wide variety of things that are legitimately dangerous.

To Digbe - Yes, marijuana can potentially be somewhat carcinogenic, but only if you're dumb enough to smoke it without cleaning it up first (e.g. use a vaporizer), and/or baking it into an edible form. How is it different than, say, Oxycontin? It's not a wildly addictive opiate. Marijuana can be somewhat habit forming, of course, but it's a far cry from the addictiveness of your average opiate/opiate analogue.
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I bet World of Warcraft is just as habit forming, and incurs just as much risk to health.

 
Ockham said:
As long as my tax dollars don't have to support you, your habit or your rehab and you don't hurt anyone else with your behavior.... I'm fine with that.
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That's fine. We'll have the tax dollars of recreational drug users support the rehab, and increase penalties and have it so that all penalities and jail times of crimes made while under the influence are increased. Deal?
 
Kali said:
Willie is out to get you to sing you a song. Be afraid and hide any childrens you have:shock::2razz::2razz:
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He's out to raid your fridge.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you think that outlawing weed is keeping people from using it?
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Do you think laws against rape have stopped rape? If not, shouldn't rape be legalized?

Some of these arguments are just ... strange. No wonder it takes decades to change laws.

In any case, weed is fairly harmless and criminalizing it was in itself a product of government corruption. You get this sort of thing when a country's people are corrupt themselves, that's why the whining about corruption in government is so hilariously ironic in the U.S.
 
Oberon said:
Do you think laws against rape have stopped rape? If not, shouldn't rape be legalized?

Some of these arguments are just ... strange. No wonder it takes decades to change laws
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While I see your point and if you only look at it that way the argument certainly sounds silly :)

However, for those who pay attention, they will find that the argument is a bit more refined you make it out to be.

It goes a little something like this: since marijuana is harmless, much more so than alcohol and tobacco and since projected usage rates will not dramatically increase if prohibition is ended, why continue to attack this marijuana use via the current, extremely expensive and violent way? Instead, if we find that marijuana causes some kind of pathology that is harmful to society, individuals can be treated as mental health patients rather than criminals. Let the boosted economy and taxes on the product pay their health bills, instead of relying on inconsistent money taken from drug busts (a tactic that only increases violence). Does this make sense?

Additionally, your analogy is not applicable as someone's choice to use marijuana is not nearly as harmful as rape. If you realize how far from each other marijuana use and rape are, you can see how absurd that analogy is. Hope this helps.
 
I'm truly surprised by the amount of people who voted against legalizing Cannabis.
 
NGNM85 said:
I'm truly surprised by the amount of people who voted against legalizing Cannabis.
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Me too. I'm really not seeing that many actually arguing against it. Maybe it's the feds.
 
Oberon said:
Do you think laws against rape have stopped rape? If not, shouldn't rape be legalized?
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Put a rapist scumbag in jail,and he doesn't rape anyone for a while. No, laws against rape haven't stopped rape, but they have slowed it down.

The purpose of law is not to protect us from ourselves, but to protect us from others. Pot laws protect us from no one, and, in fact, make our lives more dangerous as the gangs and cartels fight it out to see who gets to sell illegal drugs.
 
digsbe said:
Do I have to support those things? I said we don't need anymore psychoactive drugs on the market. Drugs and tobacco are bad and they're enough/

Smoking marijuana bathes the lungs in powerful carcinogens which leads to cancer (much like cigarettes). We see how harmful alcohol and tobacco are, why legalize another harmful drug? THC is available in prescription form via the trade name Dronabinol. Dronabinol is a CII. Why not just legalize other CII's like morphine, Oxycontin, and other drugs for public recreational use? Doing so is foolish. Marijuana should not be legalize. THC does have some medical benefits, which is why there is prescription THC available. There is no need to legalize weed.
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I'm in favor of legalizing all those things, along with LSD, shrooms, ecstasy, cocaine, etc etc. The only drugs I don't favor legalizing are the ones that make people violent, such as meth and PCP. Aside from that, what you put in your body is entirely your business. I do think that certain activities should disqualify you from certain state funded medical services. If you give yourself cancer smoking, don't expect me to pay for it.
 
atrasicarius said:
Me too. I'm really not seeing that many actually arguing against it. Maybe it's the feds.
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Alright, that was mostly a joke, but is anyone else sketched out by this? There's only one person arguing against legalizing in the thread. How come there are 27 votes against both hemp and marijuana? I smell a votebot.
 
spud_meister said:
You wanna ban alcohol?
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A fair point. Alcohol doesn't necessarily make you violent, though. It just makes you stupid. Either way, that's one battle I'm not gonna fight.
 
atrasicarius said:
A fair point. Alcohol doesn't necessarily make you violent, though. It just makes you stupid. Either way, that's one battle I'm not gonna fight.
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According to a 1998 government study, over a third of violent crimes involved alcohol consumption, and that in two-thirds of incidences of domestic violence, the participants had been drinking. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/AC.TXT) Alcohol is, by far, the most socially destructive drug.
 
NGNM85 said:
According to a 1998 government study, over a third of violent crimes involved alcohol consumption, and that in two-thirds of incidences of domestic violence, the participants had been drinking. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/AC.TXT) Alcohol is, by far, the most socially destructive drug.
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Well, maybe they should just smoke a bowl and chill out instead. Like I said, that's one battle I'm not planning on fighting.
 
Yes theres no good reason why it shouldn't be. Prohibition failed and always will. Besides, alcohol is by far more dangerous.
 
Farm it, tax it and sell licences to private growers.

Not only would it stop millions of people criminalising themselves to smoke a bit of weed but it would also generate valuable revenues at a time when most governments seem to have a cash shortage.
 
NGNM85 said:
According to a 1998 government study, over a third of violent crimes involved alcohol consumption, and that in two-thirds of incidences of domestic violence, the participants had been drinking. (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/AC.TXT) Alcohol is, by far, the most socially destructive drug.
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and we all know the result of attempting to outlaw that one.

The bottom line is that outlawing drugs simply does not work. We'd be far better off to treat drug addiction as a medical problem, not a legal one.

Education does work. Look what happened to smoking, once the proof of how destructive it is to health became known to everyone: Once, about 50% of adults smoked, now it's more like 12%. When people make informed choices, they tend to make better choices. The government making choices for them simply doesn't work.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and we all know the result of attempting to outlaw that one.

The bottom line is that outlawing drugs simply does not work. We'd be far better off to treat drug addiction as a medical problem, not a legal one.

Education does work. Look what happened to smoking, once the proof of how destructive it is to health became known to everyone: Once, about 50% of adults smoked, now it's more like 12%. When people make informed choices, they tend to make better choices. The government making choices for them simply doesn't work.
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I wouldn't even think of it. I was just pointing out the absurdity of the position of the opponants of Cannabis legalization, who balk at the thought, yet, seemingly, are completely tolerant of drugs that substantially more destructive, both to individual users, and society as a whole.
 
Can someone make one honest reason why this should not be legal with logical, true facts?
 
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