View Poll Results: Who led you to believe that August 2nd is meaningless?

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    when you do that, you raise effective rates.

    consider, for example, a low-income working family on one income with three kids. take away their EITC and Child-Tax-Credit, and you have just significantly increased the burden of government on them.

    Now this post cracked me up....like you really want us to believe thats the loophole that the teaparty is opposed to.....please man lol

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I'm reading everything I can, trying to figure out why all the Republicans are answering to Grover Norquist. I Don't Get It.
    They live in ignorance and fear.
    Much like sheep... but for them, its natural..but not for man.

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Is this the 3rd or 4th end of the world drop dead sky is falling earth will end if we don't do this date since Obama's reign of terror began, I can't recall. "Never let a crisis go to waste". Where was the panic when Dem's didn't pass any budget at all when they were up to bat?

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Is this the 3rd or 4th end of the world drop dead sky is falling earth will end if we don't do this date since Obama's reign of terror began, I can't recall. "Never let a crisis go to waste". Where was the panic when Dem's didn't pass any budget at all when they were up to bat?
    Seeing your previous posts and my past experiences with you: WTF?
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Now this post cracked me up....like you really want us to believe thats the loophole that the teaparty is opposed to.....please man lol
    Anything that grants a tax break or credit for any body could be rightfully referred to as a "loophole".
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    August 2nd is not meaningless. It's my birthday, dangit!
    happy bitthday to you fiddy

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I guarantee you...like...rock solid...all your dreams come true if Im wrong (but no way I am) guarantee...if this was president McCain banging the drum for a debt ceiling increase the majority of liberals today supporting raising the debt ceiling here would be opposed to it. When people ask "where do you get the idea" the answer is obvious...they get it from the spin doctors that spoon feed them what they know they want to hear.

    I am totally opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Its exactly the opposite of what should be done. We should be targeting massive cuts AND tax increases. The debt ceiling should remain intact. Yes...it might sting. Its going to sting. Decades of fiscal stupidity and voter enabling is going to require some real pain to change. There is still ample resources to pay interest, medicaid, social security, and defense. EVERYTHING else should be on the block starting with congressional budgets, foreign aid, every non-critical expense.
    i hear raising taxs wont be good for us

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And they'd be wrong. Raising the debt ceiling is the right thing, we don't need to sacrifice our way of life for a rash way out of our debt problem. This will be a long process solving the debt, we can't do it over night. We shouldn't try to, it would be irresponsible.
    you rather sacrafice your grandkids future/

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Explain how not paying your bills is an okay thing? We've already spent this money, and with a deal that cuts spending, and raises revenue in a practical fashion will get us out of this problem. No need to burn the whole thing down, we have to take a calm measured approach, an approach that isn't very sexy, but one that works.
    Nothing is burning down. This is just the same as it if was a persons family and home. No bank in the world will lend to a bad credit risk (with the U.S. currently is), so the family in this case has to pick and choose which creditors will be paid and which ones will not. Of those that will not, a discussion on future payments and negotiations on a lower payment or extended time frame of those payments possibly with a higher interest rate. See... Obama voted against the debt ceiling and now he's leading the charge to raise it. What doesn't make sense is his position - he seemed to have flip-flopped, however I agree with his position when he was in the Senate. It's irresponsible for us to continue to raise the debt ceiling. We need to keep it where it is, pay our bills and negotiate the others ... the thought that some cataclysm will occur Aug 2nd is fiction.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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