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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Maybe it was this guy...

    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better"

    Peoples perspectives become relevant and informed and oh so right...based on the letter behind the politicians name. Talk about stupid assed...

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Peoples perspectives become relevant and informed and oh so right...based on the letter behind the politicians name. Talk about stupid assed...
    It's ridiculous

    …the United states could be forced to default on its obligations for the first time in its history.

    This country now possesses the strongest credit in the world. The full consequence of a default--or even the serious prospect of default--by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate….The risks, the costs, the disruptions, and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's ridiculous
    I guarantee you...like...rock solid...all your dreams come true if Im wrong (but no way I am) guarantee...if this was president McCain banging the drum for a debt ceiling increase the majority of liberals today supporting raising the debt ceiling here would be opposed to it. When people ask "where do you get the idea" the answer is obvious...they get it from the spin doctors that spoon feed them what they know they want to hear.

    I am totally opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Its exactly the opposite of what should be done. We should be targeting massive cuts AND tax increases. The debt ceiling should remain intact. Yes...it might sting. Its going to sting. Decades of fiscal stupidity and voter enabling is going to require some real pain to change. There is still ample resources to pay interest, medicaid, social security, and defense. EVERYTHING else should be on the block starting with congressional budgets, foreign aid, every non-critical expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I guarantee you...like...rock solid...all your dreams come true if Im wrong (but no way I am) guarantee...if this was president McCain banging the drum for a debt ceiling increase the majority of liberals today supporting raising the debt ceiling here would be opposed to it. When people ask "where do you get the idea" the answer is obvious...they get it from the spin doctors that spoon feed them what they know they want to hear.

    I am totally opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Its exactly the opposite of what should be done. We should be targeting massive cuts AND tax increases. The debt ceiling should remain intact. Yes...it might sting. Its going to sting. Decades of fiscal stupidity and voter enabling is going to require some real pain to change. There is still ample resources to pay interest, medicaid, social security, and defense. EVERYTHING else should be on the block starting with congressional budgets, foreign aid, every non-critical expense.

    And they'd be wrong. Raising the debt ceiling is the right thing, we don't need to sacrifice our way of life for a rash way out of our debt problem. This will be a long process solving the debt, we can't do it over night. We shouldn't try to, it would be irresponsible.
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    And now Boehner finally gets it. Now that it's too late. He gets it.

    In a conference call after the meeting, Boehner told rank-and-file Republicans that he hoped to be able to announce a "viable framework for progress" by 4 p.m. today, before the stock markets open in Asia, according to two participants. Lawmakers fear a big drop in investor confidence in U.S. stocks and bonds could start in Asia and sweep toward Europe and the Americas, causing U.S. stock values to plunge Monday.
    As clock ticks, sides aim for deal on debt | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I guarantee you...like...rock solid...all your dreams come true if Im wrong (but no way I am) guarantee...if this was president McCain banging the drum for a debt ceiling increase the majority of liberals today supporting raising the debt ceiling here would be opposed to it. When people ask "where do you get the idea" the answer is obvious...they get it from the spin doctors that spoon feed them what they know they want to hear.

    I am totally opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Its exactly the opposite of what should be done. We should be targeting massive cuts AND tax increases. The debt ceiling should remain intact. Yes...it might sting. Its going to sting. Decades of fiscal stupidity and voter enabling is going to require some real pain to change. There is still ample resources to pay interest, medicaid, social security, and defense. EVERYTHING else should be on the block starting with congressional budgets, foreign aid, every non-critical expense.
    So you guarantee that something would be the case, if the facts where not what they are? Don't go out too much on a limb, stick to safe stuff like predicting things what would happen in imaginary situations. Since reality is what it is, it might be best to stick with that instead of what you imagine things would be like in some imaginary world.
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And they'd be wrong. Raising the debt ceiling is the right thing, we don't need to sacrifice our way of life for a rash way out of our debt problem. This will be a long process solving the debt, we can't do it over night. We shouldn't try to, it would be irresponsible.
    Name ANY other situation where the answer to solving your problem is to put yourself into a deeper hole. To CONTINUE to do MORE of the things that screwed you up in the first place. No...we CANT do it overnight. Nor should we try. We CAN hold the line on debt...stop expecting future generations of children and grandchildren to be responsible for our current stupidity. There is enough money brought in every month to avoid defaults.

    Both sides are playing election 2012 chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you guarantee that something would be the case, if the facts where not what they are? Don't go out too much on a limb, stick to safe stuff like predicting things what would happen in imaginary situations. Since reality is what it is, it might be best to stick with that instead of what you imagine things would be like in some imaginary world.
    Come now...you yourself have seen the immediate kneejerk defense of partisan platforms. Both sides do it and you would be a liar if you said it wasnt the case.

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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Name ANY other situation where the answer to solving your problem is to put yourself into a deeper hole. To CONTINUE to do MORE of the things that screwed you up in the first place. No...we CANT do it overnight. Nor should we try. We CAN hold the line on debt...stop expecting future generations of children and grandchildren to be responsible for our current stupidity. There is enough money brought in every month to avoid defaults.

    Both sides are playing election 2012 chicken.
    Explain how not paying your bills is an okay thing? We've already spent this money, and with a deal that cuts spending, and raises revenue in a practical fashion will get us out of this problem. No need to burn the whole thing down, we have to take a calm measured approach, an approach that isn't very sexy, but one that works.
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    Re: Where did you get that idea

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Name ANY other situation where the answer to solving your problem is to put yourself into a deeper hole. To CONTINUE to do MORE of the things that screwed you up in the first place. No...we CANT do it overnight. Nor should we try. We CAN hold the line on debt...stop expecting future generations of children and grandchildren to be responsible for our current stupidity. There is enough money brought in every month to avoid defaults.

    Both sides are playing election 2012 chicken.
    You haven't been following the story, have you? Otherwise, you'd know that Obama offered so much, he scared his own party. They still said no. They're playing chicken all by their lonesome.

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