View Poll Results: Is communism a blight upon society and Mao Tse-Tung an evil Communist?

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Parts of Spain were actually communist for a couple of years. That's the closest anyone's ever gotten.
    True, there have also been examples of semi-communism in many old societies in Africa and South America. However, it is not a type of society that would work in a modern society and it is very inefficient.

    All of them have been very poor, and the Spanish one were held together by war and a common cause.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I follow the oxford dictionary definition. Hence, mixed economies are not socialists.
    Doesn't the fact they are mixed imply they are using socialist policies?

    [quoteI don't support pure capitalism either.[/quote]

    Only crazies would support pure capitalism.

    There is a reason why all developed countries favour mixed economies.
    True, but it seems disinegious to attack socialism while embracing economies that rely upon many of its policies.
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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    By that same analogy, any democratic leaders who order the bombings of other nations must also be a sign that democracy creates murderers.

    Remove the labels and what you're left with are people. They are people that have power with impunity. The ideology is incidental. It's just like how you can't blame the Norwegian massacre on Christianity, but a single man with a radical ideology.

    It's unfortunate that you read Mao's work with such tinted glasses.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Doesn't the fact they are mixed imply they are using socialist policies?

    True, but it seems disinegious to attack socialism while embracing economies that rely upon many of its policies.
    Not really. I support many libeterian/pure capitalist policies as well, and I criticize them as well. Just because we agree on some of the same policies doesn't make us the same.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Not really. I support many libeterian/pure capitalist policies as well, and I criticize them as well. Just because we agree on some of the same policies doesn't make us the same.
    I mean it seems odd to attack socialism as a whole but then embrace mixed societies.
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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I mean it seems odd to attack socialism as a whole but then embrace mixed societies.
    I think about systems, not policies. Socialism may have some policies that I support, so do libertarian societies, nazist societies, etc. That doesn't make them good systems and I will not say. Nazism is okay if you don't take into account the socialist policies, racism and the genocide.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.
    Really? A lot of books? Which books? Do you actually read them, or just skim through them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did.
    Dude, you need to get yourself a new hobby. Seriously.

    How many times do I need to debunk this bogus, and, more importantly, factually incorrect talking point before you change your tune? Not only have I corrected you on this at least twice, but you have, yourself, personally acknowledged that it is factually wrong. Therefore, it is clear (In case there was any doubt.) that you have absolutely no interest in seriously discussing the subject at hand. this is just another demonstration of partisan hackery designed to instigate a flame war, and, I expect, satisfy some deep-seated need or compulsion stemming from some unspecified, traumatic childhood incident.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.
    The problem here is that you lack even a fundamental understanding of these concepts. This isn't a reasoned judgment based on your interpretation of Socialist literature. This is a witch hunt. It is masturbatory exercise, and a near-textbook example of a straw-man argument. What the people whom you are, badly, attempting to paraphrase are trying to point out to you is that Marxist-Leninism is a substantial departure from what was the predominent trend, up until that point, in Socialist thought. Socialism, until this point, had alsmost uniformly been of a Libertarian character, both among Anarchists and Marxists. Leninism was also condemned by Anarchists, such as; Mikhail Bakunin, Alexander Berkman, Emma Goldman, Peter Kropotkin, etc., and the leading Marxists, including; Karl Korsch, Rosa Luxemberg, Anton Pannekoek, and even Trotsky, at one point, just to name a few. See, I don't think you have much of an idea who these people are, let alone having sufficient knowledge of their works to be able to offer meaningful commentary on the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    They say knowledge is power. Is this true? Though I'm learning about the scourge of communism and the people who clung to the belief, undoubtedly there will be naive members who will claim communism is A-OK, that their belief is more valid than an older Chinese author or two who actually lived through such horror. Undoubtedly, I know there are ex-Soviets et al who will tell you the folly of following communism; but don't believe the people who actually experienced communism, because they, of course, must be wrong.
    See above.
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    Communism is a poisonous ideology responsible for the death of millions.
    No, but Christianity is.

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    Mao Tse-Tung was one such communist; his wicked acts are legion. He is but one.
    Mao Tse-Tung was a corrupt autocrat.

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    Do you think communism is detrimental and Mao an evil mass-murderer?
    It depends what you mean by 'communism.' If you mean the Marxist concept of the final stage of history; an egalitarian, socialist, direct democracy; I'd say that's very nearly ideal.

    Mao Tse-Tung was a corrupt autocrat, that's enough. Also, you shouldn't use words like 'evil' so frequently, if you want to be taken seriously.
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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    To electorate a little more on the post above more, not only was Leninism opposed by the various people mentioned, it was even stated by Lenin himself to have been developed only to suit the unique conditions of Russia at the time of the revolution and wasn't really meant as a universal path to socialism.

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