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Thread: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I've heard variations of this card, as well.

    Would you support, say, a growing movement of communism in America? What say the economy drives desperate people to consider this theory?

    You say communism isn't the killer and in practical terms you're correct. But what connected these murderers? What did Stalin, Mao, Lenin, and Stalin have in common? Communism.

    Communism doesn't work and in the resistance and oppression caused by people who are devout in communism, people die. Can't see this? I can.
    To that, I reply:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, IMO, a true Communist system has never existed because all the ones that we have seen thus far have not helped the working class at all, rather they switched economic power with political power and the life of the worker was made much worse.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, IMO, a true Communist system has never existed because all the ones that we have seen thus far have not helped the working class at all, rather they switched economic power with political power and the life of the worker was made much worse.
    Yet they still exist, they keep trying, they're still defended, they're still supported.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So you're arguing that it's simply a matter of degree? Fact remains, masses of people have died due to religion. Is all religion evil and a blight?

    No, you're simple-minded to evaluate communism as monolithic.
    Pretty much every race has been racist or has had slaves or has warred with others.

    You're running so very far to the other extreme to make some vague defense of communism.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think they adopted communism because they wanted power, and communism requires that much power be given to the government.
    I agree with your post, but you forget one important thing.

    No communist leader of that era rose to power without the help of the people of that nation. Chairman Mao gain the support of the farmers who were stuck in poverty and were being exploited by the foreign business interests of the time.

    This was one reason why the communist revolts in Europe, Russia, and China occurred at all - it was because they found communism as a way to throw off the capitalist tyrannies that kept them downtrodden.

    To be fair, neither extreme is very beneficial for the good of all. Also, just because there have been communist dictators people shouldn't ignore the good that social democracy has done for the world despite the two terms being mistaken for one another.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Ideas don't kill people, people kill people.
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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.

    My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.

    They say knowledge is power. Is this true? Though I'm learning about the scourge of communism and the people who clung to the belief, undoubtedly there will be naive members who will claim communism is A-OK, that their belief is more valid than an older Chinese author or two who actually lived through such horror. Undoubtedly, I know there are ex-Soviets et al who will tell you the folly of following communism; but don't believe the people who actually experienced communism, because they, of course, must be wrong.

    Communism is a poisonous ideology responsible for the death of millions.

    Mao Tse-Tung was one such communist; his wicked acts are legion. He is but one.

    Do you think communism is detrimental and Mao an evil mass-murderer?
    This is not one of your better posts, Wake.

    The point you are missing when it comes to the death toll of communist ideaology is that the ideology itself is not inherently evil, nor are the people, or even it's leaders really. I agree it's a ultimately flawed idea from an economic, political and societal standpoint. But the point is this; radical and revolutionary politics tend to take a hardline stance, no matter where they are. Violence comes from the far right and the far left. The common thread it that it's adherents have crossed the line from tolerance of others views and ideas (at least to the point where they shouldn't be hurt for them), they have crossed the line to intolerance of others ideas; ideas in opposition or that are not sufficiently "revolutionary" enough are to be disposed of, in one way or another.

    When radicalism gets to the point of saying, "Our ideas are so right, that it is acceptable to break some eggs to make our omelet", that's when the death toll starts to pile up. That is the danger of any type of radical/revolutionary politics. Look what seems to be happening in Norway right now.

    Also, a great movie of the mob mentality of radical communist politics is the Japanese film Red Faction. Check it out.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    How was Mao Communist? His government retained a stratified class system where power was centrally located with the few at the top. That alone blows it out of the category of Communist.
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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    This is not one of your better posts, Wake.

    The point you are missing when it comes to the death toll of communist ideaology is that the ideology itself is not inherently evil, nor are the people, or even it's leaders really. I agree it's a ultimately flawed idea from an economic, political and societal standpoint. But the point is this; radical and revolutionary politics tend to take a hardline stance, no matter where they are. Violence comes from the far right and the far left. The common thread it that it's adherents have crossed the line from tolerance of others views and ideas (at least to the point where they shouldn't be hurt for them), they have crossed the line to intolerance of others ideas; ideas in opposition or that are not sufficiently "revolutionary" enough are to be disposed of, in one way or another.

    When radicalism gets to the point of saying, "Our ideas are so right, that it is acceptable to break some eggs to make our omelet", that's when the death toll starts to pile up. That is the danger of any type of radical/revolutionary politics. Look what seems to be happening in Norway right now.

    Also, a great movie of the mob mentality of radical communist politics is the Japanese film Red Faction. Check it out.
    You raise good points, radicalmoderate. It's just hard for me to see communists and their inevitable actions... and then have no resistance against people who believe in communism. It just seems that people kept dying under communist regimes; I feel I shouldn't be afraid to draw parallels and think, just maybe, that communism itself might be a contributing factor. I am very wary of communists and what seems to inevitably happen whenever they come to power.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How was Mao Communist? His government retained a stratified class system where power was centrally located with the few at the top. That alone blows it out of the category of Communist.
    I'm not even going to argue this. You may as well say Stalin wasn't a communist.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    True. But that doesn't stop communistic people from supporting and arguing for communism. Le Marteu was one example, there's other communistic posters, here.

    It only takes a few commies to create more commies. They don't just manifest in large numbers out of thin air. That ideology needs to be further condemned and rebuked.
    I suspect a serious sickness here.
    Communism is not the problem, never was..
    Its ignorance and fear...causing extremeism and hatred.
    And all groups are open to this..

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I suspect a serious sickness here.
    Communism is not the problem, never was..
    Its ignorance and fear...causing extremeism and hatred.
    And all groups are open to this..
    If you are implying I'm sick because I study the aftermaths of communist regimes, then I respectfully disagree.

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    Re: Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

    You are better off looking at causal relationships than correlations. For example, one could easily argue that democracy was an evil ideology in the 19th century. Nearly every democratic government conquered and exploited some group of people, in addition to genocide, slavery and racism. How would you justify the benefits of democracy to a native American or African in 1825?

    There are many flaws of communism, but you need to actually need to specifically identify rather than simply over generalizing.

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