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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, that being an analysis of historical data. It's not a slam dunk perfect 100 % case, but more reliable than a projection. One is guessing the future, one is looking at what actually did happen.
    Slam dunk 100% case? It wasn't even close. No, it's nothing more than what you complain about others doing.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Slam dunk 100% case? It wasn't even close. No, it's nothing more than what you complain about others doing.
    I do not complain about others analyzing historical data.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in science they call that an "unfalsifiable thesis". the rest of us just call it circular logic. the stimulus must have succeeded because it succeed because we projected it to succeed? okay

    here's a quick question. If I destroy 4 jobs, but create 2 jobs, how much does unemployment fall?

    According to stimulus math, unemployment falls by 2 jobs. hooray!
    Actually stimulus math claims it created 2 jobs.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its not over yet...this poll would have been better posted after aug 2nd if no deal is reached....I still believe the debt ceiling will be raised....even if temporarily.

    I agree with CPwills original poll post and his analysis of the elections..I think hes right on. The gop won big in Nov, because of two things...Obamacare and Nancy Pelosi's glaring, gloating, joker like grinning face that utterly turned the stomachs of most americans.
    The teaparty started out a grass roots effort against obamacare and pelosi, the teaparty was full of working class senior citizens and working class in general....then the teaparty came out of the closet and its leaders exposed themselves as of the rich and for the rich only.

    I think the teaparty will have a run for a cycle, but once it settles in that their only goal was cutting anything from the middleclass and not only preserving but even cutting further burden from the rich and corporations...who are prospering greatly while working america is dieing right now today....it will flip and flip HARD.
    Let the SS cuts hit and whatever else they are going to whack from the middleclass then the reality will be there....then theres the teaparty govs that are getting more unpopular all the time.....it will be interesting to see how it unfolds...
    We've done this before with me providing links to past articles that notes the Tea Party got started over the outrage at the give aways to Wall Street but yet, none of it seems to matter to you. You'll continue to make your baseless accusations because the Tea Party realizes that everyone is going to have to pitch in, including you and you don't seem to care for that.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not complain about others analyzing historical data.
    The analyzing wasn't so much wrong as the projection. You're asking us to believe a program that has been proven a failure can still tell us what things would have been like without it.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The analyzing wasn't so much wrong as the projection. You're asking us to believe a program that has been proven a failure can still tell us what things would have been like without it.
    You have completely failed to show the program was a failure.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    When it comes down to it, the only way we will ever dig ourselves out of this trillions of dollars defecit is by doing MAJOR spending cuts, along with TAXES hikes on the wealthy making 250,000 or more.

    Americans i think are still a little unwilling to accept the fact that we, as a country, are in a huge mess right now. Its going to take major sacrifice on both ends to make this possible, and that includes Social Security and Medicare reform. Government is going to have to find a way to provide government healthcare facilities to treat the poor and some middle class. The rich of course will have the option to have "better" costly medical care through private insurance sectors.

    As for this no-tax-pledge the GOP stands on, it will not work. At some point taxes must be raised, which will increase the amount of the jobs available. It will pretty much do the exact opposite of what they say. When you tax the rich, they create jobs. When you give them tax cuts, they dont create jobs. The GOP uses this lie to protect their investors and employers. Stupid Americans fall for this, thinking tax increases directly affect them, but actually only affect the top 2% of America.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have completely failed to show the program was a failure.
    It's long ago been accepted it was a failure.

    RealClearPolitics - The Failure of Obama's Stimulus

    The political failure of Obama’s stimulus package : The New Yorker

    Those that pushed it made absolute claims for what it would do. It did nothing of the sort. That's the definition of failure. That it failed (which wasn't hard to predict) is a part of the reason we are were we are at today.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's long ago been accepted it was a failure.

    RealClearPolitics - The Failure of Obama's Stimulus

    The political failure of Obama’s stimulus package : The New Yorker

    Those that pushed it made absolute claims for what it would do. It did nothing of the sort. That's the definition of failure. That it failed (which wasn't hard to predict) is a part of the reason we are were we are at today.
    You should read your sources:

    This wouldn’t be surprising if we were talking about a failed program. But, by any reasonable measure, the $800-billion stimulus package that Congress passed in the winter of 2009 was a clear, if limited, success. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it reduced unemployment by somewhere between 0.8 and 1.7 per cent in recent months. Economists at various Wall Street houses suggest that it boosted G.D.P. by more than two per cent. And a recent study by Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder, economists from, respectively, Moody’s and Princeton, argues that, in the absence of the stimulus, unemployment would have risen above eleven per cent and that G.D.P. would have been almost half a trillion dollars lower. The weight of the evidence suggests that fiscal policy softened the impact of the recession, boosting demand, creating jobs, and helping the economy start growing again. What’s more, it did so without any of the negative effects that deficit spending can entail: interest rates remain at remarkably low levels, and government borrowing didn’t crowd out private investment.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should read your sources:
    No, no one would deny that there were "limited" successes. If you are claiming that for $800 billion "limited" successes make the program successful, have at it. It is pretty typical of government think and why we are in the mess we are in.

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