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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    higher rates doesn't increase revenue. Growth in GDP does.
    You are still peddling that failed "law"?
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    producing a primary opponent next winter in the Democratic Party.
    Is that possible? I'd probably vote for Hillary in the general too.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are still peddling that failed "law"?
    Given how many times its been debunked (in fact a simple google search will give websites that show the math tricks that make the graph). its funny how it keeps getting brought back up.

    Maybe its the new bls.gov

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    One side has convinced themselves its a income problem and therefore we should tax the **** out of the rich to solve it.
    I am sorry.. The government had a surplus when Bush took office.. The rich got richer and companies profited and the unemployment was much lower.. I cut 3.2 trillion out of the economy over 10 years and ruin it and not consider putting that 3.2 trillion back to fix it..

    If top 1% of the population control over 40% of our nations wealth and the lowest 50% of the people control less than 1% of the nations wealth.. Explain to me exactly why the lowest 50% should pay the same amount if not more taxes than the top 1%??

    If you are rich, you should pay more in taxes.. There is nothing to argue there.. You want to fix the eceonomy.. Start working to undo the changes that Bush did.. One of which was his retarted tax cuts that did nothing to help the nation.. Where are the jobs we were constantly promised and the republicans still seem to think will come?? Where are the damn jobs??

    See also: Wealth inequality in the United States and Wealth in the United States

    In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth.[13]

    According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population.[1]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrib..._United_States

    The wealthy should be paying the most in taxes.. It is what should happen when you make the most.. I am sure many in poverty would love to switch with them and pay higher taxes to boot..

    They need to pay their fair share..

    % of US Population % of Wealth Owned
    ================================================== ========
    Top 1%................................................ ........38.1%
    Top 96-99%............................................... ...21.3%
    Top 90-95%............................................... ...11.5%
    Top 80-89%............................................... ...12.5%
    Top 60-79%............................................... ...11.9%
    General 40-59%..............................................4 .5%
    Bottom 40%............................................... ....0.2%

    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=2050

    The tax cuts need to go!! Feel free to attempt to argue otherwise.. When 40% of the population is having to live with 0.2% of the wealth.. The rich don't have much to say.. And neither do you..
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are still peddling that failed "law"?
    those are the numbers. we've seen dramatically higher rates without seeing significant upticks in revenue - to the extent that it has risen, it has risen slightly as tax rates have fallen and the incentive to engage in tax avoidance lessens.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    A big enough deal to correct our deficit was never going to happen and that is assuming our politicians actually care to, which im doubtful of. As I mentioned in my poll they will apply a band aid fix to hush the public or to gain some political traction and in the end we will be worse off financially.

    I find it rather humorous the recent threads mentioning those in poverty. If we allow the system to continue down our current path I have ZERO doubt that our economy will collapse or have massive inflation. When this happens the government will be unable to do crap to help them. The lower 3/4 of our country could find themselves make huge changes and going threw difficult times.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    those are the numbers. we've seen dramatically higher rates without seeing significant upticks in revenue - to the extent that it has risen, it has risen slightly as tax rates have fallen and the incentive to engage in tax avoidance lessens.
    So basically what your saying is.. You haven't the faintest clue about elementary school math??

    Got it.. Glad that is cleared up..

    Claiming that less people will attempt to evade taxes is retarded.. We should be going after people for evading taxes no matter what..

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Issue is this is both a spending problem and a taxing problem. Both need to be addressed significantly. Until BOTH sides realize this, nothing is going to happen. The folks in Washington need to take their hack glasses off and do the job, addressing reducing spending and raising taxes, both across the board, both signficantly. Real simple.
    What makes you think the GOP doesn't realize this? I feel they are waiting for Obama to cave. The fact they are willing to push us right to default has me thinking Brooks's statement that the GOP is unfit to lead is right on the money. They got cuts that they could only dream about 5 years ago but are flat out refusing them despite relatively tiny tax increases which actually simplify the tax code. Furthermore, when you think about it, the best solution is a mix of cuts and tax increases that hit everyone slightly. Not enough to cause real pain resulting in job cuts and consumption cut backs, but enough to get us back on track. What bothers me is that the GOP vision seems to hit some groups especially hard. That's going to likely increase unemployment, boost automatic stabilizers and likely increase the deficit.

    But then there's always the idea they have no idea what they are doing. Ryan's plan was loudly supported yet it doesn't actually reduce the deficit or debt it just finances massive cuts for the rich by cutting spending on everyone else. That's not a viable plan to get back to the black.

    The longer we have these idiots in charge, the more likely we'll be forced to adopt a system of Ryan cuts coupled with Sanders tax hikes. The worst of both worlds.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Claiming that less people will attempt to evade taxes is retarded.. We should be going after people for evading taxes no matter what..
    That's actually true though. Evading taxes when the rate drops significent does go down. But what Cpwill is failing to do is adjust his argument for how today's rates are different from yesterday's. He's applying a one size fits all. When dropping effective from 70% to 35%, lots of people are going to stop evading because they are better off just paying rather then spending all this time and money evading. But going from 35% to 28%? That's not really worth it. Going from 35% to 10% probably would though.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    those are the numbers. we've seen dramatically higher rates without seeing significant upticks in revenue - to the extent that it has risen, it has risen slightly as tax rates have fallen and the incentive to engage in tax avoidance lessens.
    Those are the numbers, except for recently, when revenue is running under 15 % of GDP. Funny how your little graph does not show those years....
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