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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If the GOP started at 800, in the negoiations with Obama, that would be reasonable to consider that the low ball number, and as such, a higher number in rebuttal should have been expected. As I understand it, tax increases will be revisited, so I wouldn't right them off just yet. However, the point here is about good faith in negoiation, if you approach me with a number, are you suggesting that I shuld not present a counter offer?
    The GOP started at zero.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Clearly it was not ever possible. In a situation like this - always bet on the absolute over the top craziest person in the fight to triumph since they will do anything to win. Obama and the Dems looked like prize fighters in regulation gloves going to a street fight in an alley and ended up the same way. It is pathetic.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The article notes that they had already agreed to the 800 number.
    I will repeat it for you again, President Obama does not have the power to say yes to any offer, he is a negotiator for the democrats, he can take a number to the dems,

    It is becoming very clear that you either have reading comprehension problems or choose to just quote excerpts from an article that support your position so to help you again I will quote another part of the article

    The White House was agreeable to parts of the deal notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    "They were willing to accept our number," the GOP aide said. The group also talked about overhauling the tax code.

    "We walked out of the room thinking we were making good progress on the tax reform," the aide said.

    The meeting did not become public until Monday, and even then, the proposal was not disclosed.

    On Monday, Republicans said they were waiting for the White House to provide a counteroffer on ways to make sure Congress would take up tax reform.
    I have bolded parts of the article to help you under stand there was no deal, they were negotiating

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I will repeat it for you again, President Obama does not have the power to say yes to any offer, he is a negotiator for the democrats, he can take a number to the dems,
    Right, he had agreed but then the Dems balked.

    It is becoming very clear that you either have reading comprehension problems or choose to just quote excerpts from an article that support your position so to help you again I will quote another part of the article
    You are quoting what I said.

    The White House was agreeable to parts of the deal — notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    I have bolded parts of the article to help you under stand there was no deal, they were negotiating
    You bolded where they had agreed to the 800 number.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Right, he had agreed but then the Dems balked.



    You are quoting what I said.

    The White House was agreeable to parts of the deal — notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.



    You bolded where they had agreed to the 800 number.
    I see no sense in trying to talk to you, you refuse to acknowledge that you are wrong, you have your talking points imbedded in your mind and can't or won't move off of your mindset

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    In black and white.

    he White House was agreeable to parts of the deal — notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    What part of that is it that you don't understand? You do realize that the "agreeable" is describing the $800 billion, right? He didn't say "I will take it to the Dems". They agreed on that number. The Dems then howled in protest so Obama came back "I know we agreed to $800 billion but I'll need $400 billion more". That was when Boehner understandably walked.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    In black and white.

    he White House was agreeable to parts of the deal notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    What part of that is it that you don't understand? You do realize that the "agreeable" is describing the $800 billion, right? He didn't say "I will take it to the Dems". They agreed on that number. The Dems then howled in protest so Obama came back "I know we agreed to $800 billion but I'll need $400 billion more". That was when Boehner understandably walked.
    At that point it had kinda become a game of he-said she-said, but the White House's position on this is that it was simply a negotiating position, not an ultimatum. It was "alright, i'm going to ask for an additional $400 billion in tax revenue," not "give us 400 billion more OR ELSE." So, depending on who you want to believe, Boehner walking out could be reasonable or unreasonable.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    At that point it had kinda become a game of he-said she-said, but the White House's position on this is that it was simply a negotiating position, not an ultimatum. It was "alright, i'm going to ask for an additional $400 billion in tax revenue," not "give us 400 billion more OR ELSE." So, depending on who you want to believe, Boehner walking out could be reasonable or unreasonable.
    It could be "he said, she said" but I was asked to provide a link that backed up my point. I did. One is certainly free to believe the story is wrong, but there it is.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The GOP started at zero.
    When? If they brought a proposal, as the article suggests, that is the starting point and not the political rethoric prior to the negoiations.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Obama has polarized the nation. It'll only get worse. By the time he's finished, the country might not even exist in its present form.
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