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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is true. Obama did put compromises on the table.
    and then once they were agreed to, demanded even more, until it died.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and then once they were agreed to, demanded even more, until it died.
    Can you provide a source to give validity to your statement?

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Your entitled to your opinion, but your statement that President Obama was not willing to participate in an honest discussion is nothing but republican hyperbole unless you can provide a verifiable source.
    I provided one.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and then once they were agreed to, demanded even more, until it died.
    You must be reading nonsense again. NRO?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    All they had to do was sign the agreement they had. Now there will be zero tax increases. Could have been $800 billion but the White House got greedy.
    Nogoiations usually statr with a low ball price and then a high ball price and you work towards the middle. So, what you're arguing is that the WH mistakeningly thought they were in a negoiation, and not a take it or leave it?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nogoiations usually statr with a low ball price and then a high ball price and you work towards the middle. So, what you're arguing is that the WH mistakeningly thought they were in a negoiation, and not a take it or leave it?
    That's not how the way it was described to have happened. The 800 was the negotiated number. Remember the GOP wanted (and it seems got) zero.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I provided one.
    You provided a source and as I stated you cherry picked the article and left out the end of the article or maybe you just missed it so here it is again

    That number was negotiable, as the White House saw it. If Boehner wouldn't agree to that sum, maybe he would settle for less, and they'd make up the difference some other way.

    "If you can't do that, then let's have another conversation," said a White House aide, summarizing Obama's part of the call.
    President Obama was willing to continue the talks, Boehner walked out, the republicans walked out of every negotiation they were involved in and would have continued if President Obama had not caved in on his balanced approach to cut the deficit.

    I don't want the USA to default however I think President Obama should have stood his ground and if needed should have used the section 4 of the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling

    The republicans did not negotiate in good faith, they used the debt ceiling and the threat of default to black mail President Obama, here is my advice to the republicans in 2012 when elections come around bend over and kiss your party good bye, we won't forget your tactics and your refusal to agree to a balanced approach to reduce the deficit

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That's not how the way it was described to have happened. The 800 was the negotiated number. Remember the GOP wanted (and it seems got) zero.
    If the GOP started at 800, in the negoiations with Obama, that would be reasonable to consider that the low ball number, and as such, a higher number in rebuttal should have been expected. As I understand it, tax increases will be revisited, so I wouldn't right them off just yet. However, the point here is about good faith in negoiation, if you approach me with a number, are you suggesting that I shuld not present a counter offer?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    the GOP didn't start with 800. it started with 0. Boehner and Obama negotiated down to an agreement with 800, and then Obama apparently got backlash from his left and demanded 400 more at the last minute. at that point, boehner decided it would be more productive to work in the House. and, apparently, was correct in that assessment.

    you can bet Obama is kicking himself for that one.
    Last edited by cpwill; 08-01-11 at 05:48 AM.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You provided a source and as I stated you cherry picked the article and left out the end of the article or maybe you just missed it so here it is again
    The article notes that they had already agreed to the 800 number.

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