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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    I think a pretty decent sized deal will happen. As the deadline closes and the poll numbers continue to trend against republicans on these issues, the motivation to make a deal will get stronger and stronger.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Issue is this is both a spending problem and a taxing problem. Both need to be addressed significantly. Until BOTH sides realize this, nothing is going to happen. The folks in Washington need to take their hack glasses off and do the job, addressing reducing spending and raising taxes, both across the board, both signficantly. Real simple.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    The key is leadership, which comes from the executive.

    Obama is not a leader. He has never before held the position of a leader. It should surprise no one that after electing him to be our leader we now have a failure of leadership.

    It has nothing to do with which branch is up for reelection. We are two nations sharing common land. We are divided in our morals and in our values. With no leader, we cannot hope to be united. We are divided, embittered, and stalled.

    Half of us want to be an entitlement nation, leaning heavily on government. Half of us want to be independent, with governement tending to the common needs. We cannot be both. One side will have to lose. And vanish.

    Until then, we have the government we deserve.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Issue is this is both a spending problem and a taxing problem. Both need to be addressed significantly. Until BOTH sides realize this, nothing is going to happen. The folks in Washington need to take their hack glasses off and do the job, addressing reducing spending and raising taxes, both across the board, both signficantly. Real simple.
    Actually this is not true, and I agree with republicans that taxes should not be raised. raising taxes, especially in a struggling economy, is akin to eating seed corn. The reality is the only thing that has to be done is reduce the growth of government to below the rate of growth of the economy. Doing somewhat more is better, but that is all that has to be done, and that can be done without any changes in taxes.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Issue is this is both a spending problem and a taxing problem. Both need to be addressed significantly. Until BOTH sides realize this, nothing is going to happen. The folks in Washington need to take their hack glasses off and do the job, addressing reducing spending and raising taxes, both across the board, both signficantly. Real simple.
    Hear, Hear! Both created our debt problem, so we will have to address both to fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually this is not true, and I agree with republicans that taxes should not be raised. raising taxes, especially in a struggling economy, is akin to eating seed corn. The reality is the only thing that has to be done is reduce the growth of government to below the rate of growth of the economy. Doing somewhat more is better, but that is all that has to be done, and that can be done without any changes in taxes.
    I disagree. Very modest across the board tax hikes will not be noticed significantly and, with more significant and focused spending cuts, should not harm the economy, certainly not in the long term. Both will increase revenue which is the crux of the problem. There are no short term fixes and we should not be looking for them.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Issue is this is both a spending problem and a taxing problem. Both need to be addressed significantly. Until BOTH sides realize this, nothing is going to happen. The folks in Washington need to take their hack glasses off and do the job, addressing reducing spending and raising taxes, both across the board, both signficantly. Real simple.
    I completely agree. The House is not learning from previous examples that these problems have to be addressed over time and the compromising now is the best option. Ted Kennedy always said that his greatest regret was not compromising and getting a deal done with Nixon on health care. The reason he wouldn't: ideology. He wanted it all now just like the House Republicans are demanding. Republicans will need to learn the hard way that on some things compromise is superior to principle.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    All this depends on what the true motivation is behind all these talks and posturing. If indeed the true goal of the Republican Party is to get rid of President Obama in the White House, and that has been often stated, then a major deal which can be trumpeted to the American people would work against that.

    I think something is happening here that the Republicans did not plan on. Because the President has compromised so much towards the center and even the right, he is splitting his own base of support on the left. A clever machiavellian politician would recognize this and shift gears accordingly. The Republicans should place the role of the Obstructionist to the sidelines and work the biggest possible deal with Obama, and get concessions on the Big Three - Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare - get lower taxes for the wealthy in exchange for direct elimination of corporate tax loopholes, and then let the progressives rally against what Obama has done possible producing a primary opponent next winter in the Democratic Party.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree. Very modest across the board tax hikes will not be noticed significantly and, with more significant and focused spending cuts, should not harm the economy, certainly not in the long term. Both will increase revenue which is the crux of the problem. There are no short term fixes and we should not be looking for them.


    higher rates doesn't increase revenue. Growth in GDP does.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All this depends on what the true motivation is behind all these talks and posturing. If indeed the true goal of the Republican Party is to get rid of President Obama in the White House, and that has been often stated, then a major deal which can be trumpeted to the American people would work against that.

    I think something is happening here that the Republicans did not plan on. Because the President has compromised so much towards the center and even the right, he is splitting his own base of support on the left. A clever machiavellian politician would recognize this and shift gears accordingly. The Republicans should place the role of the Obstructionist to the sidelines and work the biggest possible deal with Obama, and get concessions on the Big Three - Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare - get lower taxes for the wealthy in exchange for direct elimination of corporate tax loopholes, and then let the progressives rally against what Obama has done possible producing a primary opponent next winter in the Democratic Party.
    that sword cuts in both directions - which is why the President is insisting on large tax hikes to accompany any reductions to the entitlements. that would create a civil war in the Republican Party, which he well knows.

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