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Thread: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Indeed, there are no differences in the two sides as far as being for corporate welfare. No difference outside of worthless rhetoric.
    well I don't know about that - as I recall the House 2012 Budget stripped out quite alot of tax goodies.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Well, it was the White House. It's not like people generally walk out of their own place.



    The Republicans made an offer: between $3 trillion and $3.5 trillion in spending reductions, and nearly $800 billion in revenue increases over 10 years through overhauling the tax code. Geithner and Daley took it back to the White House.

    On Sunday, Boehner and Cantor were invited to the White House for a private, unannounced meeting with Geithner, Daley and Jacob Lew, the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. Obama, who was at church that morning, popped in a couple of times.

    The White House was agreeable to parts of the deal — notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    "They were willing to accept our number," the GOP aide said. The group also talked about overhauling the tax code.

    "We walked out of the room thinking we were making good progress on the tax reform," the aide said.


    The next day, however, a bipartisan group of senators referred to as the Gang of Six unveiled its own deficit reduction proposal that included more than $1 trillion in tax revenue.

    According to the Republicans, that proposal changed the debate. Later Tuesday, the White House said it needed to see an additional $400 billion in new tax revenue, aligning it more closely with the goals in the Gang of Six proposal.


    Debt talks: How the Obama-Boehner debt talks broke down - Los Angeles Times



    Indeed, there are no differences in the two sides as far as being for corporate welfare. No difference outside of worthless rhetoric.
    The first plan that Boehner took to the House would not have passed, you cherry picked sections from the article you used as a reference, below you will see how it actually ended, Boehner picked up his marbles and went home, he never intended to reach an agreement

    That number was negotiable, as the White House saw it. If Boehner wouldn't agree to that sum, maybe he would settle for less, and they'd make up the difference some other way.

    "If you can't do that, then let's have another conversation," said a White House aide, summarizing Obama's part of the call.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    All they had to do was sign the agreement they had. Now there will be zero tax increases. Could have been $800 billion but the White House got greedy.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    All they had to do was sign the agreement they had. Now there will be zero tax increases. Could have been $800 billion but the White House got greedy.
    ye-up.

    though Jonah Goldberg brought up a good point the other day. How can you trust a guy to fold who is incapable of realizing that he's losing?

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    I read alot of these threads and I have to smile...the haves think they own it all now...they believe their beloved teaparty is going to enhance their richs at everyone elses expense. Dont go cheering the no tax hikes and the cuts to the middle class just yet....theres alot more have nots than they are haves and when they fully awaken to the teapartys agenda and the young greedsters...the party will be over at the polls...and yes you can take that as a prediction.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I read alot of these threads and I have to smile...the haves think they own it all now...they believe their beloved teaparty is going to enhance their richs at everyone elses expense.
    I believe in nobody but myself. Maybe this is where your problems lie?

    Dont go cheering the no tax hikes and the cuts to the middle class just yet....theres alot more have nots than they are haves and when they fully awaken to the teapartys agenda and the young greedsters...the party will be over at the polls...and yes you can take that as a prediction.
    Once again, the Tea Party got it's start over the outrage at the bailing out of Wall Street. They believe that all must pitch in. I realize you think that only the rich should pitch in but that is never going to work.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    All they had to do was sign the agreement they had. Now there will be zero tax increases. Could have been $800 billion but the White House got greedy.
    Not true, Speaker Boehner could not get his own initial plan approved by his own party and it contained no tax increases, you don't reall;y believe that speaker Boehner did not know that his party would not approve any plan that increased taxes in any way, he knew what he could get passed, it was nothing more then a delay tactic and a way to point the blame for no deal on the democratic party

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Not true, Speaker Boehner could not get his own initial plan approved by his own party and it contained no tax increases, you don't reall;y believe that speaker Boehner did not know that his party would not approve any plan that increased taxes in any way, he knew what he could get passed, it was nothing more then a delay tactic and a way to point the blame for no deal on the democratic party
    Really irrelevant after Obama showed that he wasn't willing to discuss things honestly.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Really irrelevant after Obama showed that he wasn't willing to discuss things honestly.
    Your entitled to your opinion, but your statement that President Obama was not willing to participate in an honest discussion is nothing but republican hyperbole unless you can provide a verifiable source. Apparently you and others believe that President Obama had carte blanche to approve any thing that the republicans wanted, sorry that is not the way it works you should know that because Boehner could not even get the votes to pass his own plan.

    My opinion President Obama has already giving up to much and should have invoked section 4 of the 14th amendment and raised the debt ceiling.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Your entitled to your opinion, but your statement that President Obama was not willing to participate in an honest discussion is nothing but republican hyperbole unless you can provide a verifiable source. Apparently you and others believe that President Obama had carte blanche to approve any thing that the republicans wanted, sorry that is not the way it works you should know that because Boehner could not even get the votes to pass his own plan.

    My opinion President Obama has already giving up to much and should have invoked section 4 of the 14th amendment and raised the debt ceiling.
    This is true. Obama did put compromises on the table.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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