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Thread: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Reid's plan includes bigger spending cuts than Boehner's plan.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Likely worse. The Tea Party IMHO has not been good for anything. Anger is not a movement, and they are too incoherent, contradictatory, and silly to really be positive.
    Everybobdy should be angry. It's amazing that they aren't. So tell me. You aren't angry that you are going to be paying for Goldman Sachs fraud while they continue to rake in record profits?

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what BS. Republicans have now passed two measures to raise the debt ceiling and Boehner and Reid took the President a third plan which he rejected. The only actor in this that has refused everything and deliberately killed every deal he was offered was the President.

    Even Reid is reportedly furious with his complete detachment on this issue.
    The republican party has not offered a compromise bill that could pass both houses, they have brokered bills that would further erode the middle class, in fact they are in a win win win position unless President Obama uses the section 4 of the 14th amendment to stop them. If he signs the bill they brokered he will have turned his own voter contingency against the democratic party, if he does not Boehmer and his lot can blame him for the default, the rise in interest rates can only help those who have money to invest to begin with.

    Fortunately I think the poor, the middle class and seniors have a longer memory then the republicans give them credit for so continue to hold our earned benefits hostage and suffer the consequences in 2012

    In my opinion President Obama and the dems have already given up too much and need to get tough with the carpet baggers opps I mean tea baggers running the republican party

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    The republican party has not offered a compromise bill that could pass both houses, they have brokered bills that would further erode the middle class, in fact they are in a win win win position unless President Obama uses the section 4 of the 14th amendment to stop them. If he signs the bill they brokered he will have turned his own voter contingency against the democratic party, if he does not Boehmer and his lot can blame him for the default, the rise in interest rates can only help those who have money to invest to begin with.
    I'm missing what plan the Dems have offered up that can pass both houses. Now it seems that both did have the basis for a plan but Obama dismissed it.

    Fortunately I think the poor, the middle class and seniors have a longer memory then the republicans give them credit for so continue to hold our earned benefits hostage and suffer the consequences in 2012
    Many seniors would benefit from a bump in interest rates.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm missing what plan the Dems have offered up that can pass both houses. Now it seems that both did have the basis for a plan but Obama dismissed it.



    Many seniors would benefit from a bump in interest rates.
    How about the talks between President Obama and Speaker Boehner that Boehner walked out on, how about the talks between the gang of six that the republicans walked out on how about the talks between Reid and McConnell that McConnell walked out on. The republicans never negotiated in good faith and never intended to, This has never been about the budget or deficits it has always been about who would control the government big business or We The People.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    How about the talks between President Obama and Speaker Boehner that Boehner walked out on
    Yes, there was an agreement in principle and then Obama changed it at the last minute. Hardly honest.

    how about the talks between the gang of six that the republicans walked out on how about the talks between Reid and McConnell that McConnell walked out on. The republicans never negotiated in good faith and never intended to, This has never been about the budget or deficits it has always been about who would control the government big business or We The People.
    Have you seen my question as to why is the government allowing G.S. continue to screw us over? Those you are fighting for are the ones allowing that.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    =1Perry;1059698438]Yes, there was an agreement in principle and then Obama changed it at the last minute. Hardly honest.
    Speaker Boehner walked out not President Obama, show me a source to show that President Obama changed any agreements that he and Boehner had agreed to in fact show me any details of that agreement, your being fed a line by the republicans and you are buying it hook line and sinker, just because Boehner said it does not make it a fact. Neither President Obama nor speaker Boehner never to my knowledge released the details of their talks to the public. Speaker Boehner had a hard time if you believe him even getting his own party to vote on his own bill.

    Have you seen my question as to why is the government allowing G.S. continue to screw us over? Those you are fighting for are the ones allowing that.
    Funny I don't see the republicans or the democrats saying any thing about GS, let me think a second here, oh that's right the only people who would really be concerned with GS are those that have a vested interest in the survival of GS, I think that Wall Street should be shut down it is the biggest Ponzi scheme the rich ever came up with

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    I don’t know if anyone has noted this earlier on this thread, but here is a significant source of the dysfunction. cpwill analyzed the past election “Ergo, the President and Senate are reflective of strong Democrat elections, whereas the House is reflective of a strong Republican election.” What he missed is that the Tea Party was successful, they sit with Republicans but they bring their own dogma. The Tea Party has found themselves in a position to get some of what their dogma directs them to want. The Republicans thought that they could adopt the Tea Partiers and have them support rational politics for their constituents but they didn’t understand how difficult that would be.
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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Speaker Boehner walked out not President Obama,
    Well, it was the White House. It's not like people generally walk out of their own place.

    show me a source to show that President Obama changed any agreements that he and Boehner had agreed to in fact show me any details of that agreement, your being fed a line by the republicans and you are buying it hook line and sinker, just because Boehner said it does not make it a fact. Neither President Obama nor speaker Boehner never to my knowledge released the details of their talks to the public. Speaker Boehner had a hard time if you believe him even getting his own party to vote on his own bill.
    The Republicans made an offer: between $3 trillion and $3.5 trillion in spending reductions, and nearly $800 billion in revenue increases over 10 years through overhauling the tax code. Geithner and Daley took it back to the White House.

    On Sunday, Boehner and Cantor were invited to the White House for a private, unannounced meeting with Geithner, Daley and Jacob Lew, the director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. Obama, who was at church that morning, popped in a couple of times.

    The White House was agreeable to parts of the deal — notably, the proposal for nearly $800 billion in added tax revenue.

    "They were willing to accept our number," the GOP aide said. The group also talked about overhauling the tax code.

    "We walked out of the room thinking we were making good progress on the tax reform," the aide said.


    The next day, however, a bipartisan group of senators referred to as the Gang of Six unveiled its own deficit reduction proposal that included more than $1 trillion in tax revenue.

    According to the Republicans, that proposal changed the debate. Later Tuesday, the White House said it needed to see an additional $400 billion in new tax revenue, aligning it more closely with the goals in the Gang of Six proposal.


    Debt talks: How the Obama-Boehner debt talks broke down - Los Angeles Times

    Funny I don't see the republicans or the democrats saying any thing about GS, let me think a second here, oh that's right the only people who would really be concerned with GS are those that have a vested interest in the survival of GS, I think that Wall Street should be shut down it is the biggest Ponzi scheme the rich ever came up with
    Indeed, there are no differences in the two sides as far as being for corporate welfare. No difference outside of worthless rhetoric.

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    Re: Was A Big Deal Ever Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm missing what plan the Dems have offered up that can pass both houses. Now it seems that both did have the basis for a plan but Obama dismissed it.
    The Reid Plan, it seems, can't even pass the Senate.



    Many seniors would benefit from a bump in interest rates.[/QUOTE]

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