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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I don't know, I suppose you could ask the 6.3 million unemployed that has not worked in 6 months.

    Or ask the unemployed in manufacturing, electronocs,real estate and the garment industry.

    I'm sure they can describe what their job WAS.
    I guess you cannot answer the question

    should a company keep a job it no longer needs?



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Distributes it at poor wages rather than providing living wages; therefore, the government is forced to subsidize.



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    I do not see these things as unfair (perhaps you do?); instead, they are just facts of life: those who have certain traits will do better at different things.



    I could say the same thing to you, as you have complained about it being "unfair" for the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes ... this is a reality of life in a world that is unfair ... yet I don't ask you to get over it because people are allowed to think things are unfair - I'm pretty sure that is what the American Revolution was all about, I'm pretty sure that is why many of the laws that protect you and me, were written etc. i.e. people are allowed to feel like things are unfair and they also have the power to doing something about it.
    if a company can fill its labor needs paying say an average of 12 dollars an hour why should it pay 18 an hour especially if its competition is paying 10 an hour



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if a company can fill its labor needs paying say an average of 12 dollars an hour why should it pay 18 an hour especially if its competition is paying 10 an hour
    To enable consumers enough disposable income after living expenses, today including the most expensive health care system in the world, to be able to buy their product.

    Henry Ford discovered this many years ago. Some are still learning.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The only real way to completely wipe out poverty is communism, but no really wants that.
    LOL...please. Communism is the only way to wipe out the middle class. It leads to 99% poverty and 1% rich. Guaranteed.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    LOL...please. Communism is the only way to wipe out the middle class. It leads to 99% poverty and 1% rich. Guaranteed.
    We don't need no stinkin' communism! We've had 30 years of trickle down economics taking us in the same direction:

    "Here are some dramatic facts that sum up how the wealth distribution became even more concentrated between 1983 and 2004, in good part due to the tax cuts for the wealthy and the defeat of labor unions:

    Of all the new financial wealth created by the American economy in that 21-year-period, fully 42% of it went to the top 1%. A whopping 94% went to the top 20%, which of course means that the bottom 80% received only 6% of all the new financial wealth generated in the United States during the '80s, '90s, and early 2000s (Wolff, 2007)."

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To enable consumers enough disposable income after living expenses, today including the most expensive health care system in the world, to be able to buy their product.

    Henry Ford discovered this many years ago. Some are still learning.
    Henry Ford had to pay his employees such high wages because he had only mind-numbing work. Do you know the turnover in those jobs even with the high wages? It was incredibly high.

    Besides, if you don't price labor based on its subjective value, someone else will, and that person will provide lower prices for consumers. You are for lower prices, aren't you?

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Henry Ford had to pay his employees such high wages because he had only mind-numbing work. Do you know the turnover in those jobs even with the high wages? It was incredibly high.
    Thanks for your personal opinion, I think I will stick with history:

    "He is credited with "Fordism": mass production of inexpensive goods coupled with high wages for workers. Ford had a global vision, with consumerism as the key to peace."
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    OK, TD, in all seriousness, you seriously got me laughing out loud on this one

    I enjoy your usual cynicism

    I off course wanted to see how many people want to push toward lower and lower levels of poverty .. I too am not sure if complete elimination is possible

    So you picked "there will always be poverty"?

    Now that I look at it I realize I should have had that be an option without the added "and no middle class" that's an oops on my part, lol!
    That was not one of the choices

    The choise was "There SHOULD always be poverty.

    Nobody is going to say they think there should be poverty but it will be there, because it is relevent.

    Just for the record, what is your definition of poverty?

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I believe that there should be government funded higher education. But then I believe that all knowledge should be freely available anyways. Also there is a correlation between those with higher education commiting less crimes. Always a plus imo.

    While I do think that the loopholes that many rich get should be cut I think that that alone is not enough. I think that if we are to lessen the amount of poverty then we should be encouraging companies to hire people. We can do this via tax cuts based solely on the amount of people that a company hires or employ's. Admittedly not sure how to do this as eventually a company must stop hiring people or it cannot be sustained as companies are not able to continueally grow ad infinitum.

    I somewhat agree with the option of not allowing companies to outsource to other countries. But I would first perfer to try and lure them back here by giving them some sort of incentive that would outweigh the higher rate of pay here vs other countries. Perhaps one way of doing this would be to not tax them at all (or a very small tax on them..say 1-5%?) on all exports while increasing import taxes.

    I agree with a flat tax however that is only because I don't mind paying taxes. However a flat federal tax would NOT help people out of poverty. If anything it would keep them in poverty.

    No way in hell would I ever agree to the federal government...or state government for that matter, forcing people to not have children....for any reason.

    I do believe that there will always be poverty. That is just the way the natural world works. There always have to be the low man on the totem pole. The level where one is considered to be in poverty may change...but there will always be someone "lower" than someone else financially speaking.
    Again, the choice was not will be should be.

    There is a huge difference there.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We would ship out the good with the bad though. Sure, we would get rid of all of the rich people who are only rich because of their relationship with the government, but we would also lose those rich who are innovators and really provide great value to our economy. I would hate to lose that.
    And a lot of actors, musicians, singers, and alot more.

    It is kind of shocking the hate for the rich has gotten so far out of hand as to suggest shipping them out of the country. What happens after that?

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