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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who are infected with envy have claimed it doesn't affect them. that doesn't dispose of it or disprove the charges. It merely means that some are unable to recognize their issues or dishonestly deny them

    and even if those who whine that the rich don't deserve what they have (the common theme among the raise the taxes crowd) without demanding more, what we have are people who are political vandals

    if I cannot have it, the government should make sure they cannot either

    I understand the politics-the many want the few to fund all of the government the many want
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those are some strange answer choices

    no middle class?

    maybe there will always be poverty rather than there should be
    Completely ridiculous and left-minded poll.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    There WILL always be some poor, and a lot of them are by choice. I have siblings who have aimed very low in life and have hit dead center.
    They CHOOSE their lot in life. I have little sympathy for anyone refusing to do the work required to improve their lot in life, especially when they complain about it, or blame others.
    But for the truly disadvantaged, we should help those who can benefit from the help. Makes no sense to send some of our slower citizens to some school that they can't handle.
    I applaud the local stores near our Utah home that employ people with Downs Syndrome. They are hard workers, dependable, and do a good job. We just can't expect certain things from them.
    At the same time, we have people who don't suffer real handicaps, they are just lazy. If they get a job, they rapidly make it plain that they don't want to work. Businesses should be quick to fire the lazy, once that is determined.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Playing the ENVY card over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread is not an argument. It is a self serving defense mechanism designed to make one look superior and like a sad victim at the same time.

    Anyone caught using it should dispense with it. Anyone caught using it should wisely put it aside. Face the issues as they exist. Discuss the merits of the issues raised. Discuss the details of the issues and how they impact the American people.

    Repeating the same self serving word intentionally designed to make its user look good and feel superior over and over again is not debate.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that pretty much sums up the "justification" for your envy of the rich
    When are the wealthy that make "envy" claims going to get over themselves?


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you make the unfounded assumption their wealth was "UNFAIRLY" acquired.
    If the cards are stacked in one's favor, it is unfair, i.e. not equal opportunity

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Hoarding exactly means what? I know tons of rich people. I believe everyone in one of the clubs I belong to have at least a million in assets, most are MAKING that much a year. I have never heard of any of them stashing money under their beds or in broom closets. they are spending it on (among other things club dues) cars, food, college tuition, golf clubs, insurance, their homes, gasoline, etc. and many are major league contributors to local and national charities, endowments etc

    do you believe people like this should not be allowed to belong to exclusive clubs when their dues can be used to pay for the poor?
    Hoard defined: Amass (money or valued objects) and hide or store away (Google)

    I believe I am adding "spending money unnecessarily on "over-the-top" commodities (i.e. 10 homes) when that money could be spent (money still going into the market) by those who are in need" to the definition of hoard, as well. Perhaps I will find another word to describe this part of it.

    Does that answer your question?

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    you are expanding the definition of unfair to cover any situation you want it to

    when the rich buy homes that "distributes" money to others

    no matter what the rich do you aren't going to be happy

    but pro sports are unfair to those who aren't talented

    school honors are unfair to those who are stupid

    ballet is unfair to people who tend to be uncoordinated or heavy

    beauty contests to the ugly

    attractive women tend to marry wealthier men than ugly ones

    thinner women tend make more money than equally skilled heavier women

    life is unfair-get over it and stop blaming those who have done well for their success

    as long as people are not breaking the laws (if they do they tend to get prosecuted) or breaking contracts (those who do tend to get sued) they have no duty to take care of people like you who are upset with the order of things



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What is your understanding of what a "job" is
    I don't know, I suppose you could ask the 6.3 million unemployed that has not worked in 6 months.

    Or ask the unemployed in manufacturing, electronocs,real estate and the garment industry.

    I'm sure they can describe what their job WAS.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If your job is specifically stated that it is going overseas, you get state paid education and unemployment benefits until that education is completed.

    Pretty good deal if you ask me.
    What if you already have an education.

    Then there is also the uhh.. not only less taxes going into federal, state and local ,,but also the money drained from not only unemployment but also the money paying for education instaed of collecting taxes from an American workers paycheck
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm pretty sure you would have a bigger fight than that on your hands.
    That's true I like to keep my postshrt so didn't want to go into details.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when the rich buy homes that "distributes" money to others
    Distributes it at poor wages rather than providing living wages; therefore, the government is forced to subsidize.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no matter what the rich do you aren't going to be happy
    How do you know so much about me? Its like you can read my mind or something .. eerie ..spookie ... boo!!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    pro sports are unfair to those who aren't talented

    school honors are unfair to those who are stupid

    ballet is unfair to people who tend to be uncoordinated or heavy

    beauty contests to the ugly

    attractive women tend to marry wealthier men than ugly ones

    thinner women tend make more money than equally skilled heavier women
    I do not see these things as unfair (perhaps you do?); instead, they are just facts of life: those who have certain traits will do better at different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    life is unfair-get over it
    I could say the same thing to you, as you have complained about it being "unfair" for the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes ... this is a reality of life in a world that is unfair ... yet I don't ask you to get over it because people are allowed to think things are unfair - I'm pretty sure that is what the American Revolution was all about, I'm pretty sure that is why many of the laws that protect you and me, were written etc. i.e. people are allowed to feel like things are unfair and they also have the power to doing something about it.
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