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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The only real way to completely wipe out poverty is communism, but no really wants that.
    It's already been proven that that doesn't work.

    There's no way to eradicate poverty. You can create all the social programs you want and take all the money there is from the people to pay for them and there will still be people who are so lazy and stupid, that they won't get off their ass and go get their government check.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    The middle class as we see it now was never meant to last long term because its existence is owed to a consumer based economy. Since consumer economy is fundamentally why we are in so much debt, the middle class will shrink as economic policy needs to be reframed.

    Our companies and government made a serious mistake when they moved all our capital to foreign soil.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    There will always be "poverty" because someone will always have more than someone else.


    Try to eradicate THAT and we will ALL be "the poor".



    (poverty is relative, you see. Our "poor" in America today are better off than a prosperous medieval middle-class person, or half the people on the planet now, but still see themselves as poor because they're at the bottom. Also, attempting to eliminate income equality entirely or largely, would destroy incentive, stifle innovation and enterpreneurism and destroy the economy.)
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Well too bad you could only vote one for me it was a toss up.

    Disallowing people in poverty to have children and disallowing outsourceing to other countries.

    I voted disallowing outsourceing to other countries.

    Even if you could disallow people in poverty to have children you would have to fight organized religion.

    At least disallowing outsourceing would have more tax revenue and more money in circulation

    However no mater what you do eliminating the last two lines of the poll some people will have to make sacrifices and take responsibilty.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The middle class as we see it now was never meant to last long term because its existence is owed to a consumer based economy. Since consumer economy is fundamentally why we are in so much debt, the middle class will shrink as economic policy needs to be reframed.

    Our companies and government made a serious mistake when they moved all our capital to foreign soil.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There will always be "poverty" because someone will always have more than someone else.


    Try to eradicate THAT and we will ALL be "the poor".
    people making lower middle class wages have far more creature comforts than the most powerful duke in 18th century england. those in walk in free clinics have better medicine than John Rockefeller.

    years ago I met a Masai prince in Kenya. he had gone to Oxford when an anglican priest who saw his potential helped him go to university. he came home to nairobi to work in the government but being Masai, not being Kikuyu he was unable to advance beyond what would be about a GS-11 in our federal service despite graduating with First Honors from one of the best universities in the known world

    so he gave it up when his father died and went back to be a leader of his people-no automobile, no 300 L suits, no briefcases and secretaries. rather a red sari, a spear and many head of cattle. I asked him if "being poorer" was upsetting. He just laughed and noted he was the richest man in the area. he had more cattle, a bigger hut and was respected. wealth he said was relative and while most would say having an air conditioned apartment and a land rover in Nairobi with a color TV set was wealth, he said many others there had more. in his environment he was the richest man



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There will always be "poverty" because someone will always have more than someone else.


    Try to eradicate THAT and we will ALL be "the poor".



    (poverty is relative, you see. Our "poor" in America today are better off than a prosperous medieval middle-class person, or half the people on the planet now, but still see themselves as poor because they're at the bottom. Also, attempting to eliminate income equality entirely or largely, would destroy incentive, stifle innovation and enterpreneurism and destroy the economy.)
    You can define poverty like that, but you can also define it by things like being in danger of getting evicted, or not getting enough to eat, or not being able to afford medical bills. As I was just saying in another thread, I don't care if some people have more as long as everyone has enough.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    You can define poverty like that, but you can also define it by things like being in danger of getting evicted, or not getting enough to eat, or not being able to afford medical bills. As I was just saying in another thread, I don't care if some people have more as long as everyone has enough.
    What if people have enough, but have misplaced priorities, that make it look like they don't have enough?
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    You can define poverty like that, but you can also define it by things like being in danger of getting evicted, or not getting enough to eat, or not being able to afford medical bills. As I was just saying in another thread, I don't care if some people have more as long as everyone has enough.
    what is enough and if we give someone enough and then they engage in behavior that means they need more (like breeding like rabbits) why do we have a duty to increase what was given them?



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is enough and if we give someone enough and then they engage in behavior that means they need more (like breeding like rabbits) why do we have a duty to increase what was given them?
    I'm not talking about giving. There are some things I support giving, like education and health care, but you can't eat education and you can't live in health care. What I support is equal opportunity, so that if someone ****s up, the only person they can blame is themselves. When you can legitimately look at anyone in poverty and say, "They deserve to be there," I'll be happy.
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