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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    The only real way to completely wipe out poverty is communism, but no really wants that.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    There will always be poverty. We may hate to admit it, but it is impossible to eradicate.

    As for the middle class, it's always there. Statistically, there is always a middle class, that's how bell-shaped curves work.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    No, well. The 1% don't want that.

    I still like the idea of shipping them all to an island, with all the toys and money they can carry, and then we switch to a new standard. Their dollar will be worth whatever they want it to be on the island, and we get our country back. BOOYAH!

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    No, well. The 1% don't want that.

    I still like the idea of shipping them all to an island, with all the toys and money they can carry, and then we switch to a new standard. Their dollar will be worth whatever they want it to be on the island, and we get our country back. BOOYAH!
    We would ship out the good with the bad though. Sure, we would get rid of all of the rich people who are only rich because of their relationship with the government, but we would also lose those rich who are innovators and really provide great value to our economy. I would hate to lose that.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The only real way to completely wipe out poverty is communism, but no really wants that.
    It's worked out so great everywhere its been tried. No poverty in those countries.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Can't vote in the poll since there's no choice there I can agree with. First, poverty has always existed, in every country, in every period of history, always. I don't see how or why that would change now or in the future - it may be eliminated one day but not today and not tomorrow and not this decade or in my lifetime. Why the poor exist is a multi-fold answer and there is good work being done to minimize actual poverty (as opposed to government identified poverty based on income levels). Politically speaking only - the poor and impoverished as well as the lower middle class are an important voting block and are regularly held up as an excuse to continue to expand entitlements and larger government assistance programs or new ones. That some actually need help to survive is just as valid as some who subsistence almost entirely on government assistance and do not want to work, have no ambition to excel and is perfectly fine just where they are. Others yet, have lots of ambition, lots of drive but just got a raw deal. As with all things, a balance needs to be struck ---- constant expansion of new and existing entitlements and assistance is not the answer just as a total cut of assistance is not the answer.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We would ship out the good with the bad though. Sure, we would get rid of all of the rich people who are only rich because of their relationship with the government, but we would also lose those rich who are innovators and really provide great value to our economy. I would hate to lose that.

    yeah most of the dem senators would be history



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    It's worked out so great everywhere its been tried. No poverty in those countries.
    dead people don't worry about being poor. its the one way communist dictatorships make people equal



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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    If America were to turn 100% communist with 100% perfect wealth redistribution today we'd all be middle class with $44,000 yearly income. With marriage we will have $88,000 yearly household income to spend. I'm not suggesting we turn to communism (pure communism is doomed to fail), but I'm saying elimination of poverty, at least in our own western countries is technically possible.

    The problem is that many humans want more than other humans, or want something of a higher quality than what other humans have. This has always been the case. Some people may say, hey, I'm a harder worker than everyone around me, why shouldn't I get paid more? And this is true.

    Now, what would be a better topic is:
    "Should the weakest workers be stuck in poverty, while the best workers become the upper-class"
    Last edited by rigormortis; 07-23-11 at 05:16 PM.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by rigormortis View Post
    If America were to turn 100% communist with 100% perfect wealth redistribution today we'd all be middle class with $44,000 yearly income. With marriage we will have $88,000 yearly household income to spend. I'm not suggesting we turn to communism (pure communism is doomed to fail), but I'm saying elimination of poverty, at least in our own western countries is technically possible.
    No we wouldn't. At least not for more than that one minute. Within days there would be those with $22,000 and others with $66,000. Now granted they all would be equal in the fact that many of the things one wants to buy aren't available at any price, but that's something different.
    Last edited by 1Perry; 07-23-11 at 05:15 PM.

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