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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Poverty is relative. A poor man here would be comparatively super rich in Africa. We do not use a good definition of poverty in this country as it is subjective, not definitive.
    99% POVERTY 1 % RICH GUARENTEED.

    Your words right?

    There's two things I find a bit strange.
    1. That China a "communist country" loaned America a capatalist country 93 million dollars.?
    2. That you know the precentages of poverty and rich in Communist countries "Guarenteed" but not in your own country?

    Is this because you don't know what poverty is or do you only study the economics of communist countries?
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I forgot why I had you on ignore, and you just reminded me. You totally ignore arguments.
    Running away is always an option when someone posts facts that disagree with your personal opinion.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    shipping them out? never heard that....got a link? or did you just make it up. truth is, the rich often ship their funds out of the country to avoid paying taxes. They also register thier companies "offshore" to avoid taxes.
    of course they do. we make it worth spending lots and lots of money to do so.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    There should always be poverty... if someone chooses to be lazy, do drugs and do nothing with their life.... they should be allowed to be poor. What you gonna do? force them to be wealthy?

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The only real way to completely wipe out poverty is communism, but no really wants that.
    Are you being serious? Countless of millions of people have starved because of communist regimes. Pick up a history book- and read it.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Poverty is relative. A poor man here would be comparatively super rich in Africa. We do not use a good definition of poverty in this country as it is subjective, not definitive.
    Are you implying that other countries define the word poverty in an objective manner?

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those are some strange answer choices

    no middle class?

    maybe there will always be poverty rather than there should be
    You are right about that. There will likely always be povery. But we can either feed it or help make it better. We are not compeltely powerless.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That was not one of the choices

    The choise was "There SHOULD always be poverty.
    You are right, I used short hand, i.e. I substituted "there will always be poverty" for the actual question which was "This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Nobody is going to say they think there should be poverty but it will be there, because it is relevent.
    Oh and just so you know, the post you quoted me on was explaining how I messed up by not putting in the option: "This is not possible we will always have poverty" in addition to the option: "This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Just for the record, what is your definition of poverty?
    What is yours? I like to go by the State chosen definitions which are usually based on ratios of income to the lowest level of income needed to live ... do you think this is not an acceptable standard? Do you think it should be lower or higher? Just how much hardship does one have to go through to be considered living in poverty?

    Also another thing .. as I have been reading these posts, I am amazed by how incredibly greedy people are. Are the wealthy really that inconvenienced by having to pay a small handful of taxes so that others can survive? Especially considering most people amassed their wealth in a system void of equal opportunity? Is it just me or does this sound incredibly whinny on the wealthy's part? Oh, poor me, I'm incredibly rich and still will be after taxes, but I don't want to share my money with those in need because I worked to get were I am and they didn't, they're all just lazy slobs, stealing my money .... seriously guys? Do you know how you sound? How pathetic!

    Believing myths like equal opportunity really exists, the poor are only poor because they are lazy and lack morals and thus the poor do not deserve to survive ... believing such myths likely serve to ease the wealthy's consciences (if they have them, lol!) in hoarding a huge portion of the world's wealth.

    It has actually been shown (in psychological studies) that people act more aggressively and hurtful to those who they demonize or dehumanize than those whom they do not. I think this is exactly what is going on with the wealthy's belittling of the poor .. truly pathetic

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Start by changing the Welfare trap that was designed to keep people in poverty while telling them it was to help them.

    They made it easier to get if the Dad moved out and penalized people the minute they got the weakest job or income.

    So the best thing to do is not listed.
    I couldn't agree with you more. In my state the poor are actually encouraged to stay on welfare and not rewarded for coming off of it (opposite of what it should be) due to abrupt welfare cut-off's based on income level. This makes it so that they have medical insurance, food stamps etc. one year and if they make a few extra bucks the next, they loose their benefits, thus making it so they can't pay bills such as medical bills. Whoever thought up that system was either trying to keep the poor on the system or completely lacking intelligence. jmo

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Isn't there equal opportunity now?
    Not exactly .. in fact .. far from it

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