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  • Government funded higher education just as other industrialized nations do

    29 35.37%
  • Cut out tax loopholes for the rich to benefit the lower and middle class

    37 45.12%
  • Start disallowing outsourcing to other countries for lower wages

    31 37.80%
  • Institute a flat tax

    34 41.46%
  • Disallow those in poverty to have children

    39 47.56%
  • This is not possible; we will always have poverty and no middle class

    15 18.29%
  • There should always be poverty

    9 10.98%
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    And a lot of actors, musicians, singers, and alot more.

    It is kind of shocking the hate for the rich has gotten so far out of hand as to suggest shipping them out of the country. What happens after that?
    shipping them out? never heard that....got a link? or did you just make it up. truth is, the rich often ship their funds out of the country to avoid paying taxes. They also register thier companies "offshore" to avoid taxes.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Isn't there equal opportunity now?
    It is harder now than in the mid 60's when I was starting out. The opportunities for education are still there, it is the job market afterward that is hurting us....
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    shipping them out? never heard that....got a link? or did you just make it up. truth is, the rich often ship their funds out of the country to avoid paying taxes. They also register thier companies "offshore" to avoid taxes.
    Another poster here said she would like to ship all rich people out of the country so the rest of us could, I don't know, be poor I guess.

    She wants to export all evil businessmen, but there are a lot of actors, singers, and others that are rich as well.

    If you read through the thread, you will see it.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    This pole was spurred by a thread I read and responded to regarding the birth control and the poor.

    This was the OP:
    I doubt that you could eliminate poverty all together. You can make it so our poor are still well off particularly when compared to other nations; but I think there is always going to be poor people. Now a live and healthy middle class means that there is plenty of opprotunity for economic mobility. Those born poor will have ample opprotunity to not be poor anymore (not saying they'll become filthy rich). A middle class is a very good sign of economic mobility. The smaller the middle class, the less economic mobility you'll have. Or rather perhaps it's the less economic mobility you have, the smaller the middle class. So to best serve the most amount of people, you want to arrange your system to best support the middle class.

    But we don't like economic mobility. Why? Because poor people being able to become rich means the reverse is possible as well. Rich people can become poor. And that's bad. Rich are rich, they can't trade places. And thus you see the legislation and government force these days used in market to shut down the economic mobility, and we see our dwindling middle class.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your personal opinion, I think I will stick with history:

    "He is credited with "Fordism": mass production of inexpensive goods coupled with high wages for workers. Ford had a global vision, with consumerism as the key to peace."
    Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I forgot why I had you on ignore, and you just reminded me. You totally ignore arguments.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess you cannot answer the question

    should a company keep a job it no longer needs?
    A better question should be should an American consumer buy an American product when they can buy foriegn products?
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Another poster here said she would like to ship all rich people out of the country so the rest of us could, I don't know, be poor I guess.

    She wants to export all evil businessmen, but there are a lot of actors, singers, and others that are rich as well.

    If you read through the thread, you will see it.
    well that makes no sense....My opinion of wealth is that too much is concentrated in the hands of too few.
    Not saying anyone should be GIVEN the wealth of another in cash, but perhaps in a better education and job opportunities. The rich would profit from such an effort....or should be able to profit...
    It should be obvious that a thousand millionaires are better for the economy than one billionaire.
    Middle class is a vague term anymore....financially, I consider me and the wife rich, others might consider it just middle class.
    Certainly a lot of our poor just aren't poor at all, and many more choose to be poor. I don't know the numbers, but I suspect that the number of truly poor, of external circumstance, is a small number relative to what has been claimed.
    Certainly 2 of my siblings are poor due to a combination of reasons, but a major part of the cause is their own laziness.
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    LOL...please. Communism is the only way to wipe out the middle class. It leads to 99% poverty and 1% rich. Guaranteed.
    What's the % amount of the rich in America today and what's the poverty %?
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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    What's the % amount of the rich in America today and what's the poverty %?
    Poverty is relative. A poor man here would be comparatively super rich in Africa. We do not use a good definition of poverty in this country as it is subjective, not definitive.

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    Re: Elimination of Poverty, the Re-establishment of the Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Henry Ford had to pay his employees such high wages because he had only mind-numbing work. Do you know the turnover in those jobs even with the high wages? It was incredibly high.

    Besides, if you don't price labor based on its subjective value, someone else will, and that person will provide lower prices for consumers. You are for lower prices, aren't you?
    The consumer is key here., labor creates consumers.

    For the record that old "be patriotic buy American" kinda left with American jobs.
    Since there are more imports than exports, add a little free trade and the "American consumer" becomes a consumer of the world.
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