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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What the far right may call a "weird fetish" others would simply identify as a legitimate concern with the tax structure and the shifting of America towards a dangerous two class system.
    the main two "classes" I see developing in America are the takers and the makers. Increasingly, it's the party of government v the party of enterprise.

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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I'll guess that "exhibit A" is NOT the fact that we have more millionaires than ever before...
    no, because currently it's not true. you are thinking 2007ish time frame. as for more millionaires, we should welcome them - it means more of our people are becoming well off.

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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Do you think that certain economic classes are being targeted in some way more than other classes?

    I answered "yes", although I wouldn't call it "class warfare" because that hypothesizes intent where I'm not sure it exists. I came to my conclusion based on three observations:

    In a bad economy where "sacrifices have to be made":

    1. Corporations are paying little to no taxes.
    2. Republicans and some Democrats don't think people with high levels of disposable income should have higher taxes.
    3. Middle class union works are instructed to "make sacrifices", give up their collective bargaining and take pay cuts.

    In other words, the middle class is expected to "make sacrifices", but the upper classes shouldn't have to make sacrifices because it's their money.

    Note: #3 would be perfectly fine and not an example of a targeted class if it didn't coexist with #1 and #2.

    Please share your arguments and your evidence or explain where I've gotten my assessment wrong without belittling other people as that is unnecessary for making a valid argument.
    So the entire middle class work for public unions? Amazing.
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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its easy to cherry pick posts...if you cherry picked the corporate cheerleader posts here...you would see

    The rich pay to much...even though they pay less than they ever did
    The rich create jobs....yeah where ? china
    The rich pay all the taxs....bs

    and on and on...cherrypicking is just that
    I don't see people saying the rich pay too much. I see people saying that the automatic jump to "tax the rich" is unwise and unnecessary.

    Rich people own companies which employ workers, that's where jobs come from...That, and the 200k a year contractor with a team of 4 employees who builds and remodels houses, and had to lay them off in the recession because nobody wants to spend that kind of money (including the uber rich).

    When regulations, taxes, or union obligations become too cumbersome to the company's profit (the reason companies exist, and rightly so), the jobs go out of state or overseas. When Michigan raised taxes on businesses the businesses left...now Michigan has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country.

    The "rich" put in more than 70% of the total funding received by the federal government via incomes taxes. Even when you throw in consumption taxes, property taxes, etc..the rich still pay more of the total obligation than the middle class or poor classes.
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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The working class is absolutely being targeted. The big guys on wall street, the bankers etc caused this malais then got billions of our money in bailouts because they were too big to fail...and now its all the fault of public workers, Social Security recipients and medicare and medicaid recepients says the rich greedy callous teaparty snotnoses....whos kidding who this is absolutely class warfare from the top down. Anyone that falls for this crap that isnt one of the rich that benefits from it...is just plain dumb or nuts.

    The teaparty is not only bashing public workers and trying to take from seniors on the national stage via the house....you have newly elected teaparty governors attacking the working class on state levels and giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations....all the evidence is right there out in the open to see....the teaparty puts no shade on what their goals are.
    so all those working class people who constantly vote for more and more spending has nothing to do with the problems>?



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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so all those working class people who constantly vote for more and more spending has nothing to do with the problems>?
    Who votes for more and more spending...do you mean working class that vote for democrats ? what are you talking about

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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Alright here's the deal.

    As a "slightly conservative" I do believe that the top 1% should pay more taxes. I also believe that the nation as a whole probably should pay more taxes, albeit the upper end of the spectrum will probably make up the difference most. That being said, I've seen borderline obsessive class envy on this forum. People are so willing to take a hot Cleveland steamer on the rich that they allow it to get in the way of objective policy fact -- namely the role of the "rich" in federal taxes, how much wealth within the top 1% is inherited, how many people in the top 1% were BORN in the top 1%, and so on and so on.

    At the end of the day, I don't care about the rich. I care about contra-cyclical taxation. Whether there's a "war" on the middle class doesn't mean **** to me.
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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Who votes for more and more spending...do you mean working class that vote for democrats ? what are you talking about
    ah big duh on that one.



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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so all those working class people who constantly vote for more and more spending has nothing to do with the problems>?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ah big duh on that one.
    big duh on that one

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    Re: Are certain "classes" targeted more than others?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Do you think that certain economic classes are being targeted in some way more than other classes?

    I answered "yes", although I wouldn't call it "class warfare" because that hypothesizes intent where I'm not sure it exists.
    There's very clear intent --- premeditated intent on the part of politicians primarily, and those people and groups who support the talking points of said politicians who have singled out the "wealthy" or "rich" in subjective terms to provide for others based on yet more subjective nonsense like, "the rich have too much" or have some sort of excess. This is repeated in public by those in office like the President and the DNC who single out "Jet owners" ignoring the fact that jets for the rich are made by small to large corporations who employ people. Demonize those who have the money to buy personal aircraft like jets and hurt those people working to build those aircraft and the manufacturing sector they work in, like Cessna.

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    Not only does "class warfare" exist it's being used as a wedge politically to split two side --- if you're FOR jets, you must want to continue to shelter the ugly wealthy hoarders who are jealously not spending their money or using it for the welfare of all and if you are AGAINST jets then you must be a freedom fighter for the working man, the underprivileged and the out of work common blue collar worker. It's not that clear cut nor that cliche yet because it's election season, those are the types of talking points the politically hypnotized and gullible are falling for and repeating daily on this and thousands of other discussion boards in the United States.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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