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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because all "rich" people are responsible for things, they had nothing to do with.
    Just more scape goating.
    This is why I absolutely hate the progressive income tax.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    ....you do realize that the capital gains tax is an income tax, right? And that the term "income tax" does not mean "taxes on wage" right? And that estates and trusts are also subject to income taxes, right?

    And that the graph accounts for that, right?

    Of course you do, of course you do...

    But on the offchance that you don't you should probably re-assess what my graph means. As should the people who liked your post.
    The Very Rich Are Different–They Pay A Lower Tax Rate - Janet Novack - Taxing Matters - Forbes

    And Forbes Magazine - obviously known for their anti-rich and bleeding heart liberal bias - disagrees with you.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    FICA taxes stop at $106,000. All income after that and all capital gains income is free of FICA taxes. That's what creates the disparity.
    That, and that alone, eh?
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    There seems to be an ongoing theme set by some that generally, those who care about the greater good of society and propose that a fair share of taxes be imposed on the extremely wealthy, are actually extremely envious/jealous and harbor hatred for the extremely wealthy. Supposedly, this is the reason these humanitarians propose a fair tax on the extremely wealthy. So let’s see what everyone thinks.
    Again?

    Where's the "yes, if they're liberal" option?
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This is why I absolutely hate the progressive income tax.
    Don't get me wrong.
    A mildly progressive income tax isn't horrible but the problem lies in blame.

    The "rich" are easiest target, historically speaking.
    Politicians use them to their own end.

    I'd say this is the primary reason, I hate democracy.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The "rich" are easiest target, historically speaking.
    Politicians use them to their own end.
    You seem to be ignoring all the other scapegoats politicians have used throughout history. The rich, historically, have had it pretty good. In terms of scapegoating, immigrants, Jews, Roma, "Barbarians" and other groups have had it much worse than the rich, historically speaking.

    Indeed, historically speaking, the rich are hardly an "easy target" for scapegoating, considering their access to resources and protection. It is precisely why those without such resources have been much easier to scapegoat than rich people.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You seem to be ignoring all the other scapegoats politicians have used throughout history. The rich, historically, have had it pretty good. In terms of scapegoating, immigrants, Jews, Roma, "Barbarians" and other groups have had it much worse than the rich, historically speaking.
    The rich will always have it better, historically speaking.
    They're rich but people associate rich with old world monarchs, things like that.

    P.S. the Jews were a wealthier group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Indeed, historically speaking, the rich are hardly an "easy target" for scapegoating, considering their access to resources and protection. It is precisely why those without such resources have been much easier to scapegoat than rich people.
    Yes, but the rich now, are not the rich monarchs of the past.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That, and that alone, eh?
    If you make $100,000 you pay approximately 6% of your income in FICA taxes.

    If you make $87 million (which is the average earnings of the Top 400), you pay approximately .000007% of your income in FICA taxes.

    See how 6% is significantly more than .000007%?

    See how that can throw things off a bit.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    P.S. the Jews were a wealthier group.
    Hardly. You're just buying into a stereotype. Historically, the Jews have been disenfranchised and downtrodden for thousands of years.

    You opened up a can of worms when you said "historically speaking," Harry. Your words, not mine. History only knows one truth, and it isn't open to BS. Just admit that you overshot the mark. The rich have, historically speaking, not been "easy targets for politicians."

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The Very Rich Are Different–They Pay A Lower Tax Rate - Janet Novack - Taxing Matters - Forbes

    And Forbes Magazine - obviously known for their anti-rich and bleeding heart liberal bias - disagrees with you.
    Here's where it pays to actually KEEP TRACK of an argument before you interject:

    He said my graph did not account for things at all. My graph. About income quintiles. I retorted that it doe.

    You replied with an article about the 400 richest families, having nothing to do with what I posted. Again, the top 400 in a nation of hundreds of millions, and a GDP of trillions, are a very silly benchmark for where the middle class "should" be. Their ability to under-report their immense wealth alone will always keep them ahead. Never once did I dispute that capital gains taxes should be higher in the future, or that loopholes should be closed. My graph was meant to show where the middle class actually stands, not how much David Koch should obey the law.
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