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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if people want to be paid better wages than the rest of the world, they need to have more valuable labor than the rest of the world. I give tons of money to both the prep school, college, law school and grad school I attended so intelligent hard working kids who cannot afford the places can go there

    Not everyone is intelligent, has the ability to comprehend the schooling necessary to better themselves.
    Some are just laborers. We aren't all the same.
    What's more, it won't be long, and jobs for the schooled, the intelligent, are gone as well. What then?

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    You read mine, did you? I make a distinction between the want some and the need some.
    Oh I do so want people to take care of themselves. If they don't want to work, they should not be supported.
    But don't forget, not everyone falls into that group, have never taken drugs, cannot finish HS, because of mental or physical, DD. The real ones, not the imagined.
    Look around you, look beyond your 4 walls and your friends and family, travel to remote areas. You will be surprised.
    where do you get the idea I don't know that? Its just not worth having more and more government intervention to deal with mostly a self induced problem. Its the libertarian position I advocate



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Not everyone is intelligent, has the ability to comprehend the schooling necessary to better themselves.
    Some are just laborers. We aren't all the same.
    What's more, it won't be long, and jobs for the schooled, the intelligent, are gone as well. What then?

    well what is your libertarian solution?



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where do you get the idea I don't know that? Its just not worth having more and more government intervention to deal with mostly a self induced problem. Its the libertarian position I advocate
    Thanks for asking. Yes, welfare entitlement has created a class of entitlement junkies.
    So, we are going in the same direction. Again, I make a distinction between those in need and those in want.
    The most feasible way to help the truly needy is at the local level, or as close to it as possible. We can't have some bureaucrats in DC design a one size fits all plan. We have to determine who is in need, and why. How can we help the individual, and what can the individual do in return, not necessarily in a salaried position? Everyone has something to offer, even if its just cleaning up the front yard, volunteering for a drug test.
    We have, in our area, a wonderful program, mostly funded by charitable donations, and it could be expanded with state funding, saving money in the long run, easing the tax burden, while taking care of those in need.
    Also, here are some ideas, not mine, but more eloquently presented than I ever could.
    Oppose the Federal Welfare State by Rep. Ron Paul

    Now you. How do we keep jobs available for everyone, that includes the academics and the dumb, and anyone in between.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    economic reality has made that artificiality go away. deal with it.

    we are no longer the only major manufacturing power like we were in the 50s

    we are not the only high tech manufacturer like we were in the 60's and 70s

    other countries can duplicate our hi tech ability for far less money

    you want a time that will never exist again

    big dumb guys cannot expect to do low skilled factory work and make as much as a mid level manager of a big company or the same as a RN or a programmer
    If capitalists want to send the high paying jobs overseas, they need to understand that those "big dumb guys" wont be able to afford to buy all of the useless crap at Walmart when they're unemployed or homeless. Fair wages are necessary for the economy to function with a middle class. If CEOs and corporate managers are the only ones getting paid a decent wage, the middle class will disappear- and so will the consumer base in this country. Soon, they'll be outsourcing their consumers, as well.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    There seems to be an ongoing theme set by some that generally, those who care about the greater good of society and propose that a fair share of taxes be imposed on the extremely wealthy, are actually extremely envious/jealous and harbor hatred for the extremely wealthy. Supposedly, this is the reason these humanitarians propose a fair tax on the extremely wealthy. So let’s see what everyone thinks.


    I am extremely angry. Not with hardworking small business people who have earned their wealth and have a stake in the community; No, I am angry with the wealthy gamblers who haven't even the decency to say, "Thankyou taxpayer. Thankyou for saving my job. Thankyou for the free money from the Fed that I can loan back to you at high interest Thankyou for saving the economy which delivers so much wealth in my direction. Thankyou, I acknowledge that we messed up and the solution to banks, so big that they hold the economy hostage, is to break up these mega banks. Thankyou I realize that as a hedge fund manager I SHOULD pay earned income tax rates on my "carried interest" . Thankyou, maybe I should not have tax deductions on all 5 of my multi-million dollar homes. Thankyou, average tax payer- maybe I should not hide my wealth in tax shelters and shift the burden to you."


    Sadly, the true entitlement junkies ARE the wealthy - the job destroying super rich on Wall Street. It is truly unbelievable to watch the misdirected rage of the tea party libertarians. "whack us one more time congresspeople" they seem to say, "Just do not raise taxes on those who continue to benefit most in this awful economy"

    The low income elderly are the chief beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid- the primary targets of budget cutting Repubs.

    To answer the original question- yeh I am plenty angry with the parasitic job destroying money men and I think that middle class people who understand their own interests have reason to feel the same.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Not everyone is intelligent, has the ability to comprehend the schooling necessary to better themselves.
    Some are just laborers. We aren't all the same.
    What's more, it won't be long, and jobs for the schooled, the intelligent, are gone as well. What then?
    if people have no talent that is unfortunate but why does that require someone else to take care of them



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I am extremely angry. Not with hardworking small business people who have earned their wealth and have a stake in the community; No, I am angry with the wealthy gamblers who haven't even the decency to say, "Thankyou taxpayer. Thankyou for saving my job. Thankyou for the free money from the Fed that I can loan back to you at high interest Thankyou for saving the economy which delivers so much wealth in my direction. Thankyou, I acknowledge that we messed up and the solution to banks, so big that they hold the economy hostage, is to break up these mega banks. Thankyou I realize that as a hedge fund manager I SHOULD pay earned income tax rates on my "carried interest" . Thankyou, maybe I should not have tax deductions on all 5 of my multi-million dollar homes. Thankyou, average tax payer- maybe I should not hide my wealth in tax shelters and shift the burden to you."


    Sadly, the true entitlement junkies ARE the wealthy - the job destroying super rich on Wall Street. It is truly unbelievable to watch the misdirected rage of the tea party libertarians. "whack us one more time congresspeople" they seem to say, "Just do not raise taxes on those who continue to benefit most in this awful economy"

    The low income elderly are the chief beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid- the primary targets of budget cutting Repubs.

    To answer the original question- yeh I am plenty angry with the parasitic job destroying money men and I think that middle class people who understand their own interests have reason to feel the same.
    so what is your solution with dealing with a few hundred of the uber wealthy. and why do these rants against the super rich whose wealth comes from OPM always end up carpetbombing everyone else who is wealthy?

    and I agree with you HF managers should pay earned income on their fees. that is idiotic they do not



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    I like the way you have put this out there. I think everyone has some degree of envy in them for whatever reasons there may be. I just don't think people, as living, breathing, busy humans, go thru the daily grinds of their lives, giving a lot of thought to how much they envy someone or others. And there are times when a thought will pop in ones head, such as, "man, I sure wish we could afford to buy a nice boat like Peter, Paul and Mary have." Envying of others is a natural thing. But on occasion, it can get out of control, by individuals, which is why it's one of the seven deadly sins.
    OMG what an excellent post and point! Here's how my "I wish" happens. My daughter posts on Facebook that their car may have died. I wish I were in a place where I could just buy her a new one.

    Her husband gets under the hood and figures out the problem. I am relieved, and daily grateful for my Kindle, the roof over my head, and that I am fed and clothed.

    Life is good.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Also, ding-ding-ding on my thought front.

    Being constantly, on this forum, being accused of all manner of vile negatives because allegedly you lot are SO rich, and I'm not, is like a moment-by-moment "Are you still beating your wife, Mr. Smith?" There's no right answer, and I think y'all know that. So you just keep slinging the ****.

    God, it gets old.

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