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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the effect the global economy has on inflated american labor costs

    btw that's a neat website-what sort of format is the photography?
    So what is your solution?
    More people on Gov hand outs? Eventually the need for your labor will dry up as well, that, or the funds keeping you in bread and butter, then what? Move to China?

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's one of the most stupid claims of the year.
    Not sure where you get your info from, but plenty of people live in places you wouldn't leave your dog.
    Not all, mind you, but too many, those who slip through the cracks, the forgotten, the one's we rather admit do not exist. Its those who aren't at fault for the misery they find themselves in, the one's who don't make much noise, but suffer in silence. That's a no no.
    Yes, you are correct, too many live a relatively comfortable live, making a career out of being entitled, taking away from those who do need a helping hand.
    But don't turn from reality, pretending all is well, ignoring the facts.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hate? No.

    I do think there's a general inherent jealousy/envy within humans towards those who have more than you. The whole notion of "Keeping up with Joneses" comes from this. Its bred within our folklore ranging from your Robin Hood type things to your "wish" type stories where someone becomes rich/powerful/famous/etc. I think base human nature makes people, in general, at least somewhat jealous or envious of those who have a better quality of life (either honestly or just through appearance).

    I do think this can go both ways as well; I think the rich can be jealous or envious at times of the lower classes depending on where in their lives they are and how involved they are perhaps with their business. For instance, a rich individual whose work consumes almost every moment of his life may be envious or jealous of one of his workers whose routinely spending time with his family, going to his kids baseball games, etc.

    So I think that, to a small extent, it is within the base human nature of the average citizen to be jealous or envious of those doing better than them. The degree's of course vary. However, it is that small kernal of a feeling I think that is used as the starter fuel for those who seek to turn it more into a blaze to shift it to hatred. Victim mentality, the notion of an "underdog", the feeling of one upping someone, etc is a powerful thing in human nature as well. I believe studies have actually been done that people react in a very similar way within the brain when someone they dislike loses as opposed to them winning.

    Which makes a bit of sense. Go to a Redskins fan on a week they're on bye and watch them see the Cowboys lose; you'll see much the same happiness as you'd have from them had their Skin's won. The desire to see someone else "lose" can be a powerful one in humans, and if you can combine that with that individual "winning" (Such as "we raise taxes on the wealthy and you get health care") then it becomes an even more powerful tool.
    I like the way you have put this out there. I think everyone has some degree of envy in them for whatever reasons there may be. I just don't think people, as living, breathing, busy humans, go thru the daily grinds of their lives, giving a lot of thought to how much they envy someone or others. And there are times when a thought will pop in ones head, such as, "man, I sure wish we could afford to buy a nice boat like Peter, Paul and Mary have." Envying of others is a natural thing. But on occasion, it can get out of control, by individuals, which is why it's one of the seven deadly sins.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, it seems those of the hard right variety think it is not possible to have a strong middle class any longer, they think the only way America can compete today is by making our citizens as poor as the third world countries.
    given that drugs, dropping out of HS and having kids before marriage are by far the main reasons for poverty what is taxing the rich going to do with those pathologies?



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    If the tax breaks afforded the rich by president Bush are not repealed, the rest of deficit reduction efforts have a hollow sound, and predominately effect the poor and middle class in a deterimental way.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Not sure where you get your info from, but plenty of people live in places you wouldn't leave your dog.
    Not all, mind you, but too many, those who slip through the cracks, the forgotten, the one's we rather admit do not exist. Its those who aren't at fault for the misery they find themselves in, the one's who don't make much noise, but suffer in silence. That's a no no.
    Yes, you are correct, too many live a relatively comfortable live, making a career out of being entitled, taking away from those who do need a helping hand.
    But don't turn from reality, pretending all is well, ignoring the facts.
    see my above post



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by george777 View Post
    If the tax breaks afforded the rich by president Bush are not repealed, the rest of deficit reduction efforts have a hollow sound, and predominately effect the poor and middle class in a deterimental way.
    that is rather stupid-the tax cuts for everyone BUT The rich cost far more and also has the problem of causing many people to lose any feedback they once had over the cost of government. the rich now pay more of the federal income tax burden than at any time in the last 70 years



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    So what is your solution?
    More people on Gov hand outs? Eventually the need for your labor will dry up as well, that, or the funds keeping you in bread and butter, then what? Move to China?

    if people want to be paid better wages than the rest of the world, they need to have more valuable labor than the rest of the world. I give tons of money to both the prep school, college, law school and grad school I attended so intelligent hard working kids who cannot afford the places can go there



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    see my above post
    You read mine, did you? I make a distinction between the want some and the need some.
    Oh I do so want people to take care of themselves. If they don't want to work, they should not be supported.
    But don't forget, not everyone falls into that group, have never taken drugs, cannot finish HS, because of mental or physical, DD. The real ones, not the imagined.
    Look around you, look beyond your 4 walls and your friends and family, travel to remote areas. You will be surprised.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most of your erroneous conclusions are based on the foundational error that the government is giving the rich money. Only can someone who believes all money and wealth initially belongs to the government could make such a fundamentally wrong statement
    Government certainly enacts policies which make it possible for the wealthy to make money, make more money, and pay less taxes on that money. Government by doing something or by not doing something can mean billions of dollars to corporations, industries and the wealthy who own large portions of those industries and businesses.

    Here is one of the best reports written about the financial collapse. In it, it spares no sacred cows be they from the left or right side of the aisle. It shows how government plays a huge role in redistributing money and how corporations and the wealthy can benefit greatly from government.

    12 Deregulatory Steps to Financial Meltdown | Common Dreams
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    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

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