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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No, it simply means that the pact of a good wage for hard work has been broken as working and middle class incomes have stagnated for about 30 years while incomes in the top bracket have risen significantly.

    None of this would be happening if people were getting paid fairly - as they were for most of our post-World War II history.

    Government wouldn't be needed if the top classes were still offering decent jobs and wages. Instead, they've moved jobs overseas and left Americans with the jobs that pay $7.50 to $10.00 an hour. And our government has given them tax breaks, corporate welfare, and other incentives to do this.

    Government should be setting policies that do the most good for the most people. It should not be setting policies that celebrate and encourage the wealthiest few sending jobs overseas and stifling wage growth.

    For instance: The Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee CEO recently got a raise from $1.7 million to $6.2 million. Her employees all got a 2% raise and my partner's division shed 26 jobs. Premiums paid by BCBST insured went up approximately 8%. Additionally, the Board of Directors of BCBST, which is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit according to its tax filings, make between $75,000 and $100,000 a year. This is a NOT-FOR-PROFIT not paying government taxes on their "profits" of over $59 million and their reserve (which an insurance company does have to have, I know) of $1.4 billion.

    People pay more for their insurance, people lose jobs, others get insignificant increases in pay all so she can see her salary triple - when she works for a so-called not-for-profit.

    We incentivise this type of behavior and reward it with our lack of regulation and tax policy. We've been doing so to a degree that it's shrinking our middle class, and that's incredibly dangerous with a consumer-driven economy. No matter how hard they try, the top 1% of earners will never be able to spend as much as the remaining 99%. Without that spending, we have no economy. If the other 99% don't have money to spend, our economy is dead.

    I've said from the get go, I don't care if you let corporate tax rates drop to ZERO - as long as the breaks are given for hiring Americans - not for giving their board and executives million-dollar pats on the back for sending jobs overseas.

    John Boehner calls them "job creators". Create some ****ing jobs then.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its silly, the rich once had to offer artificially high salaries because we did not have a global economy
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    And what was wrong with that?
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    any company who has to pay a higher price for the same quality commodity than its competition is going out of business.
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    Why would that be?
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    seriously? you don't understand that concept?
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    Please, do explain why you think that would be the case ... do you deflect the question for lack of an answer?
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    LOL you continue to err. If two companies are in competition and one has to pay higher labor costs than its competitor for the same quality labor what does that mean?
    As you mentioned before ... there was a time when there was no global economy .. so the wealthy were forced to pay fair wages .. this is why I asked why it was a bad thing .. your argument holds no water when we are talking about times when there was no global economy, as the competition was held to the same standards .. so I ask you again, what was wrong with the wealthy being forced to pay fair wages?

    Of course now we outsource to other countries for lower wages and through welfare and unemployment, redistribute the profit that is gained from things as outsourcing, to those who would have worked had the companies not been allowed to hire outside of the country for lower wages. Its a silly cycle that essentially takes advantage of the poor in other countries.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    As you mentioned before ... there was a time when there was no global economy .. so the wealthy were forced to pay fair wages .. this is why I asked why it was a bad thing .. your argument holds no water when we are talking about times when there was no global economy, as the competition was held to the same standards .. so I ask you again, what was wrong with the wealthy being forced to pay fair wages?

    Of course now we outsource to other countries for lower wages and through welfare and unemployment, redistribute the profit that is gained from things as outsourcing, to those who would have worked had the companies not been allowed to hire outside of the country for lower wages. Its a silly cycle that essentially takes advantage of the poor in other countries.
    fair wages is a stupid term lefties use to introduce elements into the cost of labor that have no realistic use.

    fair wages is paying a wage that obtains the quality and quantity of labor at a given time that the employer needs. its like saying what is a FAIR price for gold? I remember as kid gold being less than 50 bucks an ounce IIRC. what is it now-over 1200?

    it all comes down to relativity. 50 years ago american manufacturers were paying the highest wages in the world and they had to. now they don't. fairness is a moronic concept when you limit it to your self serving needs. Is it fair to tell a guy in Brazil or India that its unfair that he is willing to work for 6 dollars an hour when an American worker of similar talents won't accept less than 25 even if 6 dollars an hour would make that Indian far better off than anything he is currently getting>



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Illustration:

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    50 years ago american manufacturers were paying the highest wages in the world and they had to.
    And what was wrong with that? As in ... i.e. what was wrong with that then? Were the lower to middle class citizens better off financially in those times than they are now?

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    And what was wrong with that? As in ... i.e. what was wrong with that then? Were the lower to middle class citizens better off financially in those times than they are now?
    economic reality has made that artificiality go away. deal with it.

    we are no longer the only major manufacturing power like we were in the 50s

    we are not the only high tech manufacturer like we were in the 60's and 70s

    other countries can duplicate our hi tech ability for far less money

    you want a time that will never exist again

    big dumb guys cannot expect to do low skilled factory work and make as much as a mid level manager of a big company or the same as a RN or a programmer



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Living it up in the USA:






    Poverty in the US almost as bad as in North Korea

    "While there are five million in North Korea that face food shortages, the same number in the US is 45 million."
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and thus you seem to agree that those whose main argument is that they exist within a certain proximity of someone who is rich and thus are entitled to someone else's wealth are full of it
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    As an Anarchist, I am philosophically opposed to private ownership of the means of production. The mean of production belong to society, and should be administered, democratically, by the people, themselves.
    why do you claim to be a libertarian then? you are really an anarcho syndicalist like bakunin



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