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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    The present economic system of institutionalized theft creates resentment among both the elites and the working class. I expect most middle and working class Americans understand, at least on some level, that they are being robbed.
    yeah, the sheeple have been brainwashed into thinking if they are not rich someone else has stolen that "RIGHT" From them



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most of your erroneous conclusions are based on the foundational error that the government is giving the rich money. Only can someone who believes all money and wealth initially belongs to the government could make such a fundamentally wrong statement
    No, not to the Government, but because the Government leaves enough loopholes for (many) rich to wiggle through.
    Yes, most, or many, rich worked hard to achieve, create opportunities and jobs, but we must understand that just as many squander and live large, and never worked a day in their lives.
    Too broad a brush leads to confusion. Make distinctions.
    Just as not all rich are the same, many of the needy do need help, while others just feel entitled.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    No, not to the Government, but because the Government leaves enough loopholes for (many) rich to wiggle through.
    Yes, most, or many, rich worked hard to achieve, create opportunities and jobs, but we must understand that just as many squander and live large, and never worked a day in their lives.
    Too broad a brush leads to confusion. Make distinctions.
    Just as not all rich are the same, many of the needy do need help, while others just feel entitled.
    a couple points

    1) even if someone is rich only (and those are few) because their parents were rich at some point someone earned that money and that is how they wanted it to be used. Those heirs don't cost me or you money and they aren't responsible for causing government to grow and expand malignantly

    2) what loopholes? the biggest loophole going is people who have all the rights to vote as taxpayers but are not



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a couple points

    1) even if someone is rich only (and those are few) because their parents were rich at some point someone earned that money and that is how they wanted it to be used. Those heirs don't cost me or you money and they aren't responsible for causing government to grow and expand malignantly

    2) what loopholes? the biggest loophole going is people who have all the rights to vote as taxpayers but are not
    Apologies for the confusion. I speak of tax loopholes.
    Of course the rich can spend their money as they see fit, and therefor create a trickle down effect, if you will.
    But lets make a distinction between the rich.
    Hollywood, pro sports, and yes, trust funders,
    vs hard working business owners, can't hardly be compared.
    But yes, its their money, they may do with it as they see fit, within the law.
    If the law closes all loopholes.

    But again, also make a distinction between career/generational needy, and those who are actually in need, can't fend for themselves, the sick, disabled, elderly, and even those who can't find jobs, no matter how hard they try...emphasis on trying, willingness to work.

    Job creation, jobs for the willing, tax revenue, funds for the needy, it all starts and ends with JOBS.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most of your erroneous conclusions are based on the foundational error that the government is giving the rich money. Only can someone who believes all money and wealth initially belongs to the government could make such a fundamentally wrong statement
    Are you really denying that fact? Just making sure.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was just accused of this very thing by a far-right poster because of my position regarding the growing wealth disparity in the US.

    The thing is I do not hate, or envy, the wealthy. I am very happy with my standard of living. Great wealth is not necessary to have a happy and comfortable life. But I see too many who are not so fortunate. As has been pointed out, this is the greatest disparity in wealth between the upper and lower classes since 1920 and before that in the 1880's in the days of the robber barons. In 2009, one in seven Americans lived in poverty. Unless we desire to become a third world nation, we need to rethink our regressive changes that have been made to our progressive tax system that have transferred too much much wealth to the top without job production.

    After 3 decades of trickle down economics, we need a few decades now of trickle up economics where the working class can again be consumers and grow the economy.
    Speaking of robber barrons, heres a great video on that topic:





    But on topic, I do not think that there is an envy of the wealthy, its just that people are pissed that corporations and big wigs can go and hide their money on offshore tax havens, get multi-billion dollar bailouts, commit massive financial crimes and barely get a slap on the wrists, and can influence the government to the point where they destroy the general social safety net at the expense of the poor/middle class instead of going after those offshore tax havens.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah, the sheeple have been brainwashed into thinking if they are not rich someone else has stolen that "RIGHT" From them
    No-one has the 'right' to be rich. However, they do have the right to the products of their labor, and to a measure of control over their productive lives.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah, the sheeple have been brainwashed into thinking if they are not rich someone else has stolen that "RIGHT" From them
    No, it simply means that the pact of a good wage for hard work has been broken as working and middle class incomes have stagnated for about 30 years while incomes in the top bracket have risen significantly.

    None of this would be happening if people were getting paid fairly - as they were for most of our post-World War II history.

    Government wouldn't be needed if the top classes were still offering decent jobs and wages. Instead, they've moved jobs overseas and left Americans with the jobs that pay $7.50 to $10.00 an hour. And our government has given them tax breaks, corporate welfare, and other incentives to do this.

    Government should be setting policies that do the most good for the most people. It should not be setting policies that celebrate and encourage the wealthiest few sending jobs overseas and stifling wage growth.

    For instance: The Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee CEO recently got a raise from $1.7 million to $6.2 million. Her employees all got a 2% raise and my partner's division shed 26 jobs. Premiums paid by BCBST insured went up approximately 8%. Additionally, the Board of Directors of BCBST, which is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit according to its tax filings, make between $75,000 and $100,000 a year. This is a NOT-FOR-PROFIT not paying government taxes on their "profits" of over $59 million and their reserve (which an insurance company does have to have, I know) of $1.4 billion.

    People pay more for their insurance, people lose jobs, others get insignificant increases in pay all so she can see her salary triple - when she works for a so-called not-for-profit.

    We incentivise this type of behavior and reward it with our lack of regulation and tax policy. We've been doing so to a degree that it's shrinking our middle class, and that's incredibly dangerous with a consumer-driven economy. No matter how hard they try, the top 1% of earners will never be able to spend as much as the remaining 99%. Without that spending, we have no economy. If the other 99% don't have money to spend, our economy is dead.

    I've said from the get go, I don't care if you let corporate tax rates drop to ZERO - as long as the breaks are given for hiring Americans - not for giving their board and executives million-dollar pats on the back for sending jobs overseas.

    John Boehner calls them "job creators". Create some ****ing jobs then.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Your attempt at distraction failed.
    Apparently it worked on you.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    No-one has the 'right' to be rich. However, they do have the right to the products of their labor, and to a measure of control over their productive lives.
    and thus you seem to agree that those whose main argument is that they exist within a certain proximity of someone who is rich and thus are entitled to someone else's wealth are full of it



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