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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'm envious of the rich, I want a Lamborghini Aventador dammit!

    There is a certain amount of envy, but not much beyond "imagine all the useless **** I could buy", and certainly not to the degree some posters on here imagine it.
    That's pretty much how I would sum it up. It's fun to think about what you could do with a billion dollars, but it's not really a serious thing.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Hate? No.

    I do think there's a general inherent jealousy/envy within humans towards those who have more than you. The whole notion of "Keeping up with Joneses" comes from this. Its bred within our folklore ranging from your Robin Hood type things to your "wish" type stories where someone becomes rich/powerful/famous/etc. I think base human nature makes people, in general, at least somewhat jealous or envious of those who have a better quality of life (either honestly or just through appearance).

    I do think this can go both ways as well; I think the rich can be jealous or envious at times of the lower classes depending on where in their lives they are and how involved they are perhaps with their business. For instance, a rich individual whose work consumes almost every moment of his life may be envious or jealous of one of his workers whose routinely spending time with his family, going to his kids baseball games, etc.

    So I think that, to a small extent, it is within the base human nature of the average citizen to be jealous or envious of those doing better than them. The degree's of course vary. However, it is that small kernal of a feeling I think that is used as the starter fuel for those who seek to turn it more into a blaze to shift it to hatred. Victim mentality, the notion of an "underdog", the feeling of one upping someone, etc is a powerful thing in human nature as well. I believe studies have actually been done that people react in a very similar way within the brain when someone they dislike loses as opposed to them winning.

    Which makes a bit of sense. Go to a Redskins fan on a week they're on bye and watch them see the Cowboys lose; you'll see much the same happiness as you'd have from them had their Skin's won. The desire to see someone else "lose" can be a powerful one in humans, and if you can combine that with that individual "winning" (Such as "we raise taxes on the wealthy and you get health care") then it becomes an even more powerful tool.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    There seems to be an ongoing theme set by some that generally, those who care about the greater good of society and propose that a fair share of taxes be imposed on the extremely wealthy, are actually extremely envious/jealous and harbor hatred for the extremely wealthy. Supposedly, this is the reason these humanitarians propose a fair tax on the extremely wealthy. So letís see what everyone thinks.
    What's fair? Their tax obligation is already 30% or more of their income. How much should they be required to give up for "the good of the rest of us"?
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was just accused of this very thing by a far-right poster because of my position regarding the growing wealth disparity in the US.

    The thing is I do not hate, or envy, the wealthy. I am very happy with my standard of living. Great wealth is not necessary to have a happy and comfortable life. But I see too many who are not so fortunate. As has been pointed out, this is the greatest disparity in wealth between the upper and lower classes since 1920 and before that in the 1880's in the days of the robber barons. In 2009, one in seven Americans lived in poverty. Unless we desire to become a third world nation, we need to rethink our regressive changes that have been made to our progressive tax system that have transferred too much much wealth to the top without job production.

    After 3 decades of trickle down economics, we need a few decades now of trickle up economics where the working class can again be consumers and grow the economy.
    Sense you said this some people on the right now think everything you just said is considered trying to "ignite class war"..


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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    What's fair? Their tax obligation is already 30% or more of their income. How much should they be required to give up for "the good of the rest of us"?
    See, here is where you are wrong and I think a LOT of Americans believe this.

    If you make more than $373,651, your top tax rate is 35%.

    Someone making $1 million doesn't pay $350,000 in taxes. They pay 10% on the first $8,000; 15% on their income up to $34,000; and so on.

    Only the money over $373,651 is taxed at 35%.

    Also, they stop paying payroll taxes on income above $106,800.

    The top 400 families pay an effective tax rate of 16.6% - nearly the same as someone making $30,000. And they make, on average, $87 million a year.

    Tax Rate for Richest 400 Taxpayers Plummeted in Recent Decades, Even as Their Pre-Tax Incomes Skyrocketed — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    It's not envy. It's about fairness. If we have a progressive tax system (and was ALWAYS have), then it should be progressive. Payroll taxes and loopholes result in the richest Americans paying a rate much lower than the middle class.

    The people who pay the highest tax rates are those making around $100,000, an amount I firmly consider to be upper-middle class. From about $350,000 on, the effective tax rate declines and declines and declines.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    There seems to be an ongoing theme set by some that generally, those who care about the greater good of society and propose that a fair share of taxes be imposed on the extremely wealthy, are actually extremely envious/jealous and harbor hatred for the extremely wealthy. Supposedly, this is the reason these humanitarians propose a fair tax on the extremely wealthy. So letís see what everyone thinks.
    I would say that the average citizen does not care what other people have or do not have. Now there are fringe groups and the lets tax the **** out of the rich groups and the rich do not need that much groups who are extremely jealous of the wealthy.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    I don't know. I don't think so, honestly. I can't honestly say I know anyone that I would classify of being jealous of the rich. Some of them are certain pissed off about stuff like what FilmFestGuy mentioned, or that the stimulus helped them so much more than it helped anyone else. But that's different from jealousy - that's just a general sense of fairness.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I don't know. I don't think so, honestly. I can't honestly say I know anyone that I would classify of being jealous of the rich. Some of them are certain pissed off about stuff like what FilmFestGuy mentioned, or that the stimulus helped them so much more than it helped anyone else. But that's different from jealousy - that's just a general sense of fairness.
    The stimulus helped big business because that's where the money was directed. That lies solely on the government, not the recipients.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The stimulus helped big business because that's where the money was directed. That lies solely on the government, not the recipients.
    Except that it's proof that they own the government and we as citizens do not.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Except that it's proof that they own the government and we as citizens do not.
    Hardly. It just shows the funds were mis-directed.

    In the 2000s we received little stimulus checks. I think mine was $600. It turned out that didn't do a lot of stimulating. Maybe this time around the politicians were like, "hmm...it didn't help to give money directly to the people...let's try giving it to the businesses for job creation/new projects, etc".
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