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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What kind of parasite wants the government to step in and force their third party creditors not to collect on their debts?
    TurtleDude, I will take your lack of response to this question as an admission that only a parasite would advocate for the government handouts that is the corporate tort-liability shield.

    It has been a pleasure besting you in debate. As always.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    TurtleDude, I will take your lack of response to this question as an admission that only a parasite would advocate for the government handouts that is the corporate tort-liability shield.

    It has been a pleasure besting you in debate. As always.

    awarding your self another medal? you have not bested me because your premises are false.

    the corporation acted and its the corporation that gets sued. if there were no LLC's there would be no one delivering high risk babies, doing high risk surgery or there would be no government because government is the biggest limited liability corporation known to man. Do you know anything about the federal tort claims act and the concept of sovereign immunity?



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the corporation acted and its the corporation that gets sued.
    A corporation is just a business, it is a collection of people. If the partners in a partnership should be liable, why not the partners in a corporation? There is no libertarian explanation for this sort of preferential treatment from government. It's a protection racket.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if there were no LLC's there would be no one delivering high risk babies, doing high risk surgery or there would be no government because government is the biggest limited liability corporation known to man.
    Cry me a river. You sound like a pinko, the way you are making excuses for government infringement in the free market.

    And just like I'd tell any other socialist, I'll tell you. Stop worrying so much, the free market will provide. High risk surgery and high risk deliveries might cost a little more, but they will get done. New methods that do not infringe on liberty will be adapted.

    If your best argument is a pathetic, ends-justify-the-means socialism, you've already lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you know anything about the federal tort claims act and the concept of sovereign immunity?
    Yes, I know they have nothing to do with the topic at hand. We're not talking about sovereign tort immunity, that's a separate issue. We're talking about government-enforced limited tort-liability for private companies. No red herrings.
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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A corporation is just a business, it is a collection of people. If the partners in a partnership should be liable, why not the partners in a corporation? There is no libertarian explanation for this sort of preferential treatment from government. It's a protection racket.



    Cry me a river. You sound like a pinko, the way you are making excuses for government infringement in the free market.

    And just like I'd tell any other socialist, I'll tell you. Stop worrying so much, the free market will provide. High risk surgery and high risk deliveries might cost a little more, but they will get done. New methods that do not infringe on liberty will be adapted.

    If you best argument is a pathetic, ends-justify-the-means socialism, you've already lost.



    Yes, I know they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    Anti corporate populism is doing the crying not me. You just are mad at corporations and you fail to understand the entire framework of risk and tort law and yes a government entity is a corporation and it has very limited liability



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Anti corporate populism is doing the crying not me. You just are mad at corporations and you fail to understand the entire framework of risk and tort law and yes a government entity is a corporation and it has very limited liability

    appeal to emotion fallacy.

    Where in the world do you get the idea he is mad at corps?

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Many people don't have what they need. That's sort of the point.
    Many people have their priorities wrong. That is the problem in this country.
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    appeal to emotion fallacy.

    Where in the world do you get the idea he is mad at corps?
    his emotional attacks on corporations

    real libertarians believe in personal responsibility. If you are president of a company and you order someone to harm another you will be both civilly and criminally liable. if someone does that without your knowledge why should your PERSONAL property be subject to suit



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    his emotional attacks on corporations

    He did not make one.

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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    He did not make one.
    You see what you want to see I see what I saw



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    Re: Does the average citizen harbor envy/jealousy, hatred for the extremely wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Anti corporate populism is doing the crying not me.
    Straw man. This is far from anti-corporate populism, it's a libertarian critique of government infringement in the free market.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You just are mad at corporations and you fail to understand the entire framework of risk and tort law and yes a government entity is a corporation and it has very limited liability
    I understand the framework perfectly, and you have been unable to contradict me on a single substantive point of law.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes a government entity is a corporation and it has very limited liability
    Sovereign tort immunity is a separate principle from corporate tort-liability shields. It is confusing, and I can see how somebody unschooled in the law would fail to fathom the subtle nuance here. This nuance clearly escapes you. Since your understanding of the law here is so incomplete, allow me to educate you.

    Corporate limited liability is described as follows:
    “shareholders are immune from personal liability for corporate debts and torts beyond the amount of their agreed investments in the corporation’s stock.”
    1 COX & HAZEN Sec. 105
    This is quite different from sovereign tort immunity. See: Gray III v. Bell for a discussion of sovereign immunity:

    State and federal officials receive a judicially fashioned immunity for all discretionary acts arguably within the ambit of their authority. There are two basic forms of official immunity. The first, absolute [229 U.S.App.D.C. 182] immunity, bars a suit at the outset and frees the defendant official of any obligation to justify his actions. The second, qualified immunity,8 is in the nature of an affirmative defense and protects an official from liability only if he can show that his actions did not contravene clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person in his position should have known. The levels of protection afforded by these two forms of immunity, once sharply different, are no longer so distinct. Qualified immunity remains an "affirmative defense that must be pleaded by a defendant official," Harlow v. Fitzgerald, --- U.S. ----, 102 S.Ct. 2727, 2737, 73 L.Ed.2d 396 (1982), but subjective motivation is no longer relevant and the defense--now "defin[ed] ... essentially in objective terms," id., 102 S.Ct. at 2739--may appropriately be determined by the trial judge on summary judgment, id. On the other hand, under the functional analysis governing absolute immunity, see Butz v. Economou, 438 U.S. 478, 508-17, 98 S.Ct. 2894, 2911-16, 57 L.Ed.2d 895 (1978), "a limited factual inquiry may in some cases be necessary to determine in what role the challenged function was exercised," Forsyth v. Kleindienst, 599 F.2d 1203, 1215 (3d Cir.1979), cert. denied, 453 U.S. 913, 101 S.Ct. 3147, 69 L.Ed.2d 997 (1981), thus precluding on occasion disposition at the Rule 12 stage.

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    Official immunity is principally justified as a "shield against liability that will serve the public interest in the vigorous exercise of legitimate executive authority." Chagnon v. Bell, 642 F.2d 1248, 1256 (D.C.Cir.1980), cert. denied, 453 U.S. 911, 101 S.Ct. 3142, 69 L.Ed.2d 994 (1981).9 Additional reasons for according official immunity, less frequently articulated but no less important, include the need to minimize the deterrent effect of potential personal liability on those who otherwise might enter public office, the perceived drain on valuable official time devoted to defense of myriad suits, the inequity of exposing officials to vicarious liability for the acts of subordinates, the notion that government servants owe a duty to the public rather than to the individual, and the idea that official accountability is more appropriately enforced through the ballot and in criminal or removal [229 U.S.App.D.C. 183] proceedings than in private civil suits.10
    712 F2d 490 Gray III v. Bell | OpenJurist
    Now that you have been educated, TD, I will permit no more digressions into the comparison of sovereign tort immunity and corporate tort-liability shields. The two are not related, and I have proven it. The red herring is dispensed with.
    Last edited by Guy Incognito; 07-20-11 at 10:23 PM.

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