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    Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Many folks around here seem so very concerned about the rich folks, their money and the taxes they have to pay.

    So I ask the folks here do we really need to be worried about rich folks having to pay too much tax? Are you gonna sleep less at night worrying about tax burdens of the rich?

    For the rich folks here at DP? Sorry if I offend you.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system. This class envy/class warfare is despicable.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system.
    What does progressive tax system have to do with anything in this poll? Does a progressive tax system supposed to save the rich? No....

    This class envy/class warfare is despicable.
    Oh great here we go... If someones taxes are higher than the others the right found a new word for it its called "class war" now apparently... Just like with the rich the right now uses the word "job creators" now... Sooo lame...


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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    If by "saving" you mean "having all their **** seized by the proletariat," then yes, they do. That probably wasn't what you meant, though...
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    So I ask the folks here do we really need to be worried about rich folks having to pay too much tax? Are you gonna sleep less at night worrying about tax burdens of the rich?
    No. They are utterly useless as a factor in the economy, yet they suck off almost the entire productivity gains of the last 30 years, and don't re-invest it in the economy. This was glaringly obvious in the last Depression, and ditto this one.

    I'll also add that there are many wealthy people who aren't opposed to getting their taxes raised anyway, as that would have zero effect on their lifestyles and future.

    Of course, you wouldn't know that if you only listen to all the teeth gnashing, whining, and hair pulling in the fever swamps of the internet, mostly from morons who will never be wealthy anyway, they're just stupid and really think they have a shot at it because they see a lot of infomercials late at night when they've had a few beers, telling them all about getting vast wealth from real estate with no money down, and many other ludicrous ways to gamble away their life savings, usually for around $39.95.

    Oh, and that's plus shipping. And a 30 day, money back guarantee.

    No stats on how many people get rich in 30 days on these plans, though, so somehow I doubt they give out many refunds. Fabulous 'cash flows' are routinely advertised, and never less than five figures a week.

    As for me, I just go to Reno or Vegas once a year. It's more fun, and the returns are usually higher than the average returns the 'professionals' are getting every year.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Allow one unfair thing to happen to someone else and the next unfair thing may happen to you. I would not call for them to be taxed any more than I because I would not want to be unfairly taxed either.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    No. They are utterly useless as a factor in the economy, yet they suck off almost the entire productivity gains of the last 30 years, and don't re-invest it in the economy. This was glaringly obvious in the last Depression, and ditto this one.

    I'll also add that there are many wealthy people who aren't opposed to getting their taxes raised anyway, as that would have zero effect on their lifestyles and future.

    Of course, you wouldn't know that if you only listen to all the teeth gnashing, whining, and hair pulling in the fever swamps of the internet, mostly from morons who will never be wealthy anyway, they're just stupid and really think they have a shot at it because they see a lot of infomercials late at night when they've had a few beers, telling them all about getting vast wealth from real estate with no money down, and many other ludicrous ways to gamble away their life savings, usually for around $39.95.

    As for me, I just go to Reno or Vegas once a year. It's more fun, and the returns are usually higher than the average returns the 'professionals' are getting every year.
    I guess we should tell people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that they're utterly worthless. Shame on them, being a waste on society with their multi-billion dollar corporations, milions of employees, and incredibly useful products. How dare they be such awful wastes of space!
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system. This class envy/class warfare is despicable.
    James, you've been better in recent months, but envy is not required to support a progressive tax. I don't see lines of wealthy wanting to trade palces with the poor. And I get along just fine where I'm at. Cliaming eveyone who disagrees with your position is envious is a form of classwarfare btw.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    I support actual enforcement of the tax code, which we are currently not seeing. If GE can avoid paying taxes for two years in a row, then there is a serious problem in the system.

    The rich designed the tax code and its myriad of loopholes. The progressive tax scheme does not need to be changed. In fact, any tax code we introduce or alter will still have little impact if the loopholes are not closed.

    I am annoyed with the rich, not because they are rich, but because the system was designed to give them the most bailouts and tax evasions - this, while people in the lower classes are going bankrupt daily from the recession.

    Where is my bail out? Why do small businesses not get bail outs? Why is it just the tycoons of wall street - the very people who put us into this mess in the first place?

    I'm a fair person, but I do blame the plutocrats and aristocrats for what is going on with the economy. We can blame social security, the military, etc. for budgetary problems, but those are just present concerns. We could have sustained this system if the system fairly assessed tax collections from the start, which it never has.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I guess we should tell people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that they're utterly worthless. Shame on them, being a waste on society with their multi-billion dollar corporations, milions of employees, and incredibly useful products. How dare they be such awful wastes of space!
    Yes. I agree. They just stole a lot of stuff from AT&T's government funded research contract for computing, and went on from there. They're just pirates who mostly buy or steal developments from other people. Gates didn't even have an OS when he sold one to IBM.

    So, how does Gates being worth $40 billion from a monopoly help the economy, exactly?
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