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Do The Rich Need Saving?

Do The Rich Need Saving?

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Oberon said:
I know all that, I'm a sometime toker myself, it's just further down my list of urgent political and economic priorities, way down. I also have some doubts about how great it would be as a cash crop, and how much hemp clothing is really needed to stock trendy stores like Banana Republic; I can't afford the place, myself, but I'm not opposed to pot. I agree it was stupid to ban it, and know why it was banned. It's just not a burning issue for me.

I wouldn't die if alcohol was banned, either, though, in fact I would vote for Prohibition if the issue came up again, I've seen the damage and ruin it does, so I'm a mixed bag on drug issues. I'm not a Libertarian; it depends on the drugs and their effects on people and society in general, and alcohol has never been a positive for either.
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i think booze and weed are things that shoud be left to each ones preferance to have a free country.
 
Basher said:
music; why do you say it is a world of unequal oppertunity when a poor boy like obama can get to be president?
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I love it when people use rare cases where people have beat the odds as evidence of equal opportunity. This is like saying that someone who has won the lottery is evidence that all people could win the lottery if they only wish hard enough, lol ... this being said, things are, in some ways, better than they were, however, there certainly does not mean that equal opportunity exists. Anytime someone can be born into wealth and another can be born into poverty, equal opportunity (in the truest sense of the word) will not exist.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I love it when people use rare cases where people have beat the odds as evidence of equal opportunity. This is like saying that someone who has won the lottery is evidence that all people could win the lottery if they only wish hard enough, lol ... this being said, things are, in some ways, better than they were, however, there certainly does not mean that equal opportunity exists. Anytime someone can be born into wealth and another can be born into poverty, equal opportunity (in the truest sense of the word) will not exist.
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artificial means to create equality are far worse than any problems that come from inequality
 
winston53660 said:
Marie Antoinette had the same view.
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feel free to try to storm my Bastille any time you want.

but you are accurate on one thing

your phony calls for egalitarianism will end up another bloody dictatorship though I have a feeling you won't be on the winning side
 
TurtleDude said:
artificial means to create equality are far worse than any problems that come from inequality
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Let me ask you .. do you think I do not believe in competition? Do you believe I do not believe in the principles of rewarding positive actions/behaviors? Do you really think that I believe everyone should have the exact same amount of wealth? If you do, you are quite mistaken.
 
TurtleDude said:
feel free to try to storm my Bastille any time you want.

but you are accurate on one thing

your phony calls for egalitarianism will end up another bloody dictatorship though I have a feeling you won't be on the winning side
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The authors point out that the life-diminishing results of valuing growth above equality in rich societies can be seen all around us. Inequality causes shorter, unhealthier and unhappier lives; it increases the rate of teenage pregnancy, violence, obesity, imprisonment and addiction; it destroys relationships between individuals born in the same society but into different classes; and its function as a driver of consumption depletes the planet's resources.
Wilkinson, a public health researcher of 30 years' standing, has written numerous books and articles on the physical and mental effects of social differentiation. He and Pickett have compiled information from around 200 different sets of data, using reputable sources such as the United Nations, the World Bank, the World Health Organisation and the US Census, to form a bank of evidence against inequality that is impossible to deny.
They use the information to create a series of scatter-graphs whose patterns look nearly identical, yet which document the prevalence of a vast range of social ills. On almost every index of quality of life, or wellness, or deprivation, there is a gradient showing a strong correlation between a country's level of economic inequality and its social outcomes. Almost always, Japan and the Scandinavian countries are at the favourable "low" end, and almost always, the UK, the US and Portugal are at the unfavourable "high" end, with Canada, Australasia and continental European countries in between.
This has nothing to do with total wealth or even the average per-capita income. America is one of the world's richest nations, with among the highest figures for income per person, but has the lowest longevity of the developed nations, and a level of violence - murder, in particular - that is off the scale. Of all crimes, those involving violence are most closely related to high levels of inequality - within a country, within states and even within cities. For some, mainly young, men with no economic or educational route to achieving the high status and earnings required for full citizenship, the experience of daily life at the bottom of a steep social hierarchy is enraging.


Review: The Spirit Level by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett | Books | The Guardian
 
most violence in America comes from the war on drugs not social stratification
 
winston53660 said:
Jeeesh I wonder why people would be getting ****ed up?
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like many on the left they have a trouble dealing with reality and accepting responsibility for changing their lot in life
 
TurtleDude said:
like many on the left they have a trouble dealing with reality and accepting responsibility for changing their lot in life
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You mean like blaming the media, or unions, or anyone other than yourself? Yo pot . . . .



:coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Need creates jobs. Where there is a need, someone will meet that need. The wealthy do not need to be worshiped or cowtowed to.They are citizens like everyone else.Citizens who benefit mostfrom our government. Having them pay more is simply fair.
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They benefit more ?? you like to include our infrastructure in your formula, but never get around to things like jails, welfare, unemployment, or our entire criminal court system, which is used overwhelmingly by those paying little or no federal income taxes.

Our DOD is equally protective of every person of the USA, what a person has to lose, has nothing to do with the DOD … but with that persons ability to gain assets throughout his life, so that argument is really a mute point. Our road systems is used by everyone, and if the rich use it more, then in turn pay more for it in the taxes that is paid by fuel. I've seen you use this before, but a good example of what I'm saying, is do you pay in fuel taxes, what walmart does to ship there products to stores across the country? It's my opinion that the rich pay for much more then they use, and until you can come up with realistic numbers to prove other wise .. you have nothing.
 
NO.

They don't deserve our help or votes.

Why should we vote to help the rich person who neither knows nor cares about you???

They buy the better food and clothes. They live high on the hog. They have huge houses. They have the better cars. They DON'T DESERVE OUR HELP.

They're proud, selfish, and materialistic. They deserve greater taxes.

No, I am NOT playing Devil's Advocate on this issue.
 
Wake said:
NO.

They don't deserve our help or votes.

Why should we vote to help the rich person who neither knows nor cares about you???

They buy the better food and clothes. They live high on the hog. They have huge houses. They have the better cars. They DON'T DESERVE OUR HELP.

They're proud, selfish, and materialistic. They deserve greater taxes.

No, I am NOT playing Devil's Advocate on this issue.
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They could come back with others are just as selfish, lazy, unproductive, and uninspired to be anything more then what they are. Why is their well being, and their health anymore my responsibility then their own.
 
Wake said:
NO.

They don't deserve our help or votes.

Why should we vote to help the rich person who neither knows nor cares about you???

They buy the better food and clothes. They live high on the hog. They have huge houses. They have the better cars. They DON'T DESERVE OUR HELP.

They're proud, selfish, and materialistic. They deserve greater taxes.

No, I am NOT playing Devil's Advocate on this issue.
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Oh gosh. I thought the poll was just for the rich. Since rich isn’t income but rather wealth, we qualify by any standard I’ve read recently. I support progressive taxes, have for as long as I can remember. However, we became rich by not living high on the hog. Our new car, 2010, was about $17,500, not too high on that hog, but we just wrote a check. (Our other one is a 2000 pickup.) Yes, we buy better food, but it’s cheaper. Not a huge house that I’m replacing the header above the basement slider myself because of rot due to improper construction. Our other winter home is only about 1200 sq. ft. I know others like us. I don’t know exactly what to say about proud, selfish, and materialistic; but, how about being proud of my mentoring and my patents while working. I guess several here are conjecturing about the rich but are incorrect.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Oh gosh. I thought the poll was just for the rich. Since rich isn’t income but rather wealth, we qualify by any standard I’ve read recently. I support progressive taxes, have for as long as I can remember. However, we became rich by not living high on the hog. Our new car, 2010, was about $17,500, not too high on that hog, but we just wrote a check. (Our other one is a 2000 pickup.) Yes, we buy better food, but it’s cheaper. Not a huge house that I’m replacing the header above the basement slider myself because of rot due to improper construction. Our other winter home is only about 1200 sq. ft. I know others like us. I don’t know exactly what to say about proud, selfish, and materialistic; but, how about being proud of my mentoring and my patents while working. I guess several here are conjecturing about the rich but are incorrect.
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Only 1200 sq ft? You must have to go out side to change your mind:2razz:
 
I don't like how proud, selfish, and vain rich people can be. Don't even dare to think the rich don't primarily embody these behaviors. Those people don't deserve their mansions and expensive houses.

I'm still conservative in the social sector and the belief in working had to earn money... but that was warped and perverted into CEOs earning obscene bonuses and the rich living lavishly; well above what is necessary.

There should be a cap on total wage. Bring it down. Business profits should not be used for personal gratification. It's materialism at its finest.

They live in such posh houses and live so far above people who are struggling. How can a conservative who can barely pay for insurance have the audacity to vote for the rich and wealthy... to enrich them further... while you take further cuts and suffer?

Many perverted conservatives and Republicans actually dare to use the Bible to support their vain and materialistic lifestyle.

Are you broke? Were your benefits cut? Lost your insurance? How could you vote for Republicans who vote to further enrich the poor????

If you're frugal and you work for what you earn, then I have no problem so long as you don't spend money on things you don't need, like a Hummer or a huge house. It's obscene, materialistic decadence. Get them to understand by taxing them painfully
 
Boo Radley said:
You mean like blaming the media, or unions, or anyone other than yourself? Yo pot . . . .



:coffeepap
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Uh I have done rather well, I am not the one blaming others for my lot in life
 
Many folks around here seem so very concerned about the rich folks, their money and the taxes they have to pay.

So I ask the folks here do we really need to be worried about rich folks having to pay too much tax? Are you gonna sleep less at night worrying about tax burdens of the rich?

For the rich folks here at DP? Sorry if I offend you.[/QUOTE]

I don't worry about the rich paying higher taxes because they can afford it.

I worry about taxing them to the point they stop investing in the JOBS created mostly by private industry while idiots think it's fair to sock it to them.

Obama is on a mission to divide and wreck America, and Lierals without a clue are falling for his BS, and lies.

Ben Stein recently wrote what I have been saying here for two years about Obama:
They (Liberals and others) ignored his quiet acceptance of hysterical anti-American diatribes by his minister, Jeremiah Wright.

They ignored his refusal to explain years at a time of his life as a student.

They ignored his ultra-left record as a "community organizer," Illinois state legislator, and Senator.

The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.

Now, the American people are starting to wake up to the truth. Barack Obama is a super likeable super leftist, and not a fan of this country.

The American people have already awakened to the truth that the stimulus bill -- a great idea in theory -- was really an immense bribe to Democrat interest groups, and in no way helped all Americans.

The American people already know that Mr. Obama's plan to lower health costs while expanding coverage and bureaucracy is a myth, a promise of something that never was and never can be --"a bureaucracy lowering costs in a free society." Either the costs go up or the free society goes away... an historical truth.
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http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.
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