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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post


    This is what class warfare looks like. A long line of desperate people who can't feed their families, because they had no job security, never got paid enough to have any kind of savings, no education, and no power. This is half of the American population. The people in this picture haven't got jobs, because the jobs disappeared in order to make company profits higher. And the members of this class who do have jobs have no security, no leverage. Every day they're reminded that tomorrow they could end up on this line.

    This is what class warfare really looks like.
    Your silly picture is worthless

    how many of those people have felony records?
    How many of them are drug addicts or alcoholics
    How many of them dropped out of HS
    How many of them started spawning children before they were married

    Until you can tell us the answers to those questions, your claims are without any merit



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your silly picture is worthless

    how many of those people have felony records?
    How many of them are drug addicts or alcoholics
    How many of them dropped out of HS
    How many of them started spawning children before they were married

    Until you can tell us the answers to those questions, your claims are without any merit
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    Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?

    First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.

    Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it."

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.

    Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?

    First Collector: Plenty of prisons.

    Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?

    First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.

    Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it."

    From A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post


    This is what class warfare looks like. A long line of desperate people who can't feed their families, because they had no job security, never got paid enough to have any kind of savings, no education, and no power. This is half of the American population. The people in this picture haven't got jobs, because the jobs disappeared in order to make company profits higher. And the members of this class who do have jobs have no security, no leverage. Every day they're reminded that tomorrow they could end up on this line.

    This is what class warfare really looks like.
    And, whose fault is that?!? Most of those people are in that line, looking for a handout, because they chose to be there.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your silly picture is worthless

    how many of those people have felony records?
    How many of them are drug addicts or alcoholics
    How many of them dropped out of HS
    How many of them started spawning children before they were married

    Until you can tell us the answers to those questions, your claims are without any merit
    From this post, it seems that you harbor some serious hate for those that are in poverty, I wonder what that is all about?

    When I see these unfortunate brothers and sisters in humanity, I see exactly what Paschendale describes.

    And I say to you .. what does it matter how many have felony records, how many are drug/alcohol addicts, how many dropped out of high school etc. .. how does any of these facts matter? (oh and why would having children outside of wedlock matter?) Does that make them deserve their suffering? I have a funny feeling you have no idea why and how some people end of with felony's, addicted to drugs/alcohol etc. One thing that may help you understand is that statistically, being born in poverty, simply puts one at high risk for most of those things. A few find a sympathetic mentor or two and find their way out of poverty (certainly usually not wealthy, likely only to working class levels), however, the majority do not. If you knew anything about what it is like to grow up in poverty, I doubt you would harbor such hatred for them.

    One study that has been done does shed light on some people's hatred for those in poverty. It was found that if groups of people view other groups of people as less than human, it is easier to be hurtful to them (e.g. like it was easy to own slaves because their owners viewed them as less than human). How this is relevant is that most of the people's posts that reflect a certain degree of hatred and do not take into consideration the plight of those in poverty are likely posted by individuals who, in order to endorse a cold, purely capitalistic (without any socialistic influence) stance, view these people as less than human, e.g. they are worthless beings, they cause nothing but trouble, it is their own fault that they are in their situation, they should have worked harder and so on.

    As we are all human and our personalities, world views, attitudes, behaviors and actions are ultimately determined by an interaction between our genes (genetic traits; both physical and psychological) and our environment (parents, teachers, grandparents, peers, the social system, the political system, the economy etc.), how can we not want to help our those who were not as fortunate in their genetic and environmental endowments? How can we not want to reduce the likelihood of more people being born into such situations?

    I suppose if one views the individual as having complete control over his/her outcome and thus views some lives as better or more valuable than others .. it may be quite easy to be unsympathetic toward the less fortunate.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In other words, you can't answer simple questions so you choose to obfuscate.

    Typical liberal.
    The questions seek to obfuscate the moral imperative. Typical conservative.

    That is what I spoke to.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Has anyone taken a look at the results of the OP poll? I believe this result from a conservative forum should provide a clue to folks what the general election is going to look like next November.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Think of chlidrenzzzz PLEASE!

    How Does a Four-Year-Old Spend $46,000 a Month?

    Supermodel Linda Evangelista is asking French billionaire Francois Henri-Pinault for $46,000 a month in child support. He’s the father of Ms. Evangelista’s four-year-old son, Augustin James. And Ms. Evangelista argues that $46,000 is the minimum required to provide for young Augustin in the manner to which he has grown accustomed.

    Readers outside New York are probably thinking: “What’s this kid eating ?!”

    Readers in New York are thinking: “She should ask for more.”

    To find out how a four-year-old could possibly burn through $46,000 a month in Manhattan, I called Natasha Pearl, president of Aston-Pearl, the New York-based lifestyle-management firm for wealthy families.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Think of chlidrenzzzz PLEASE!
    Lol! This sounds more like a mother trying to penalize the father for something or just trying to get rich .... wait a minute, nope I changed my mind, a child definitely needs that much money per month .. just think .. if they got $46,000 for every year of life, by the time the child is 18, they would have accumulated $9,936,000 .. now that's what I call adequate child support!
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    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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