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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That doesn't say what you think it says. he is not saying the rich don't benefit from government. The things that will be cut are nto those they benefit. Corporate welfare, for example isn't on the block even though it is more that the welfare you whine about.

    The fact is, you can't make an argument against a reality based on what you think Obama believes. It just can't be done dude.
    In other words you are going to evade that obvious;

    thanks for playing but if you cannot honestly address obvious points than you are just wasting both our our time



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the rich pay a higher total federal tax rate than the poor
    Carefull here... remember that the poor pay a much higher percentage of thier income to payroll taxes as well as those obscenely regressive sales taxes. And therefore, since the poor spend a far, far higher percentage of thier income on things like food, shelter and sales taxes than the wealthy (nevermind cigarettes and the lottery!), we have a progressive (as opposed to regressive) tax rate. Is that wrong? Should we tax the poor into a state of malnutrition? death?
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    socialism and similar diseases have killed more people in the last 100 years than any other system or religion combined

    Manifest Destiny committed genocide.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Or, you know, comfort and prosperity for all... But I suppose if not being able to abuse others makes you miserable, then I can see how you'd think that.
    That's failed in every other socialistic country. Why is it miraculously going to start working, now? Care to explain that one?

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Manifest Destiny committed genocide.
    Genocide, or colateral damage?

    Let me guess, we tried to wipe out the Mexican race?

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    raising taxes won't help. all it does is give your dear leaders more "reasons" to spend more money to buy more votes
    Raising taxes increase revenues which are needed to help reduce the deficit caused by wasteful spending during the last decade.

    how can we pay living wages as you call them if they make businesses that are forced to pay them uncompetitive?
    As we can clearly see from history, businesses remained competitive when the effective tax rates were much higher than they are today.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If there aren't anymore rich people, what do we have? A nation full of poor people?

    Someone want to tell me how that's a good thing?
    Should you ever decide to crack open a history book, you will learn there were rich people when the effective tax rates were much higher for the wealthy, and also had the strongest middle class in our history. But, we don't want any of that do we?
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    I'm still not sure what the rich need saving from. Isn't that kinda the point of being rich? Power, influence, safety, control over one's environment... The rich, by definition, seem like the last ones who'll need saving. Unless there's a violent rebellion, in which case they'll need the Scarlet Pimpernel to save them.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Should you ever decide to crack open a history book, you will learn there were rich people when the effective tax rates were much higher for the wealthy, and also had the strongest middle class in our history. But, we don't want any of that do we?
    Dude dont talk about that, because we all know that History books are written by pinko commie liberal professors...


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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    massive lie on your part. the rich pay a higher total federal tax rate than the poor-many of whom are GIVEN money by the government. If someone gives you 20,000 dollars and you use that to pay say 4000 dollars of taxes your effective tax rate is not 20%. Its still ZERO since those taxes were actually paid by those whose money was given to you.

    When the rich pay almost twice as much of the tax burden than their share of the income, you lose what little credibility you might have had by claiming that being taxed more than everyone else is a sense of entitlement

    the entitlement is evidenced by people like you who think that you should not even pay the same share of the income tax as your share of the income

    Your rant is based on the assumption that the rich should pay far more taxes because you think they should rather than any objective comparison of income received and taxes paid

    the top few percent ARE THE ONLY GROUP that pay more of the federal income tax burden than their share of the income

    I'm glad it is your opinion the Bush tax breaks did not reduce the tax rates for the wealthy. That way you won't miss them when they are eliminated.
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