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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah, you must be one of those highfalutin teachers!
    Yep that would be me. Don't know how I live with the evil. It's hard being such a parisite.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep that would be me. Don't know how I live with the evil. It's hard being such a parisite.
    I don't know how I live with the evil either! I am married to a teacher! She drove a Datsun 210 station wagon for nine years! Talk about conspicuous wealth!!!!
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    My question is why can't we ask the rich to sacrifice some of their wealth for the good of the country they claim to love so much? The country needs more revenue and the working class doesn't have the means to provide so why don't the patriotic rich of America agree to have their taxes raised for the good of the country? This is a very emotional based argument I'll admit, I just find it strange that the group that talks the most about patriotism is unwilling to ask the rich to pay more for the good of the country they love. Perhaps Jefferson was right when he said "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."
    Nobody has any problem with you asking the rich to "sacrifice some of their wealth for the good of the country" - but that's not really what you want to do, is it? I see nothing Patriotic about the government confiscating money, and nothing Patriotic about someone handing money over because if they don't they'll go to jail.

    Besides, if someone truly wanted to "do something for the good of the country they love," what nutball would choose to send the money to Washington rather than having a direct say in how it's spent?

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nobody has any problem with you asking the rich to "sacrifice some of their wealth for the good of the country" - but that's not really what you want to do, is it? I see nothing Patriotic about the government confiscating money, and nothing Patriotic about someone handing money over because if they don't they'll go to jail.

    Besides, if someone truly wanted to "do something for the good of the country they love," what nutball would choose to send the money to Washington rather than having a direct say in how it's spent?
    Just as the working class was not asked if they wanted to pick up the slack for the tax breaks given to the rich in the first place. And "what nutball would choose to send the money to Washington rather than having a direct say in how it's spent?"

    That's how 5,000 soldiers were sacrificed and a couple trillion in debt was accrued from an unnecessary war in Iraq we didn't vote for!
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I forgot that you depend on my revenues to pay for your wars so you rich still get to enjoy your $58,000 average tax cuts! Hell of a deal!!!
    I'm not upper (or union) class. I'm intellectual class. I don't fear commies because I'm rich. I fear them because they're stupid. Class warfare is lost on me, I just don't want morons in charge; they kill all the smart people.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not upper (or union) class. I'm intellectual class. I don't fear commies because I'm rich. I fear them because they're stupid. Class warfare is lost on me, I just don't want morons in charge; they kill all the smart people.
    No, you are smarter than that. Only idiots happily pay more so the rich can have their $58,000 tax breaks each year without any requirements to create jobs or even invest it in our own country. Do you even make that much? 90% of the country make less in total earnings than the annual tax breaks for the wealthy!
    Last edited by Catawba; 07-29-11 at 05:28 AM.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    No, I don't make that much. And I still think rich people should keep their money. The standard of living in the US is not sustainable - deal with it. I don't care. I think buying a bunch of disposable crap from Walmart made in China is unsustainable. I think people eating meat everyday (every meal?!) is unsustainable. I think 50% obese, 80% ignorant and 5% awake is unsustainable. The whole developed world is gonna take a hit, and most of Europe is still using 1960's water-radiators for indoor heating. Hell, Holland has toilets so shallow one must fear, and there's no water in them. I don't think the US will drop to Euro standards for the middle class (go-carts and dorm-rooms), but things are not going to stay like this, any way we cut it.

    Money is power. Power to the people!

    Let's continue to see what we do with it. Your problem, Cata, is that you don't think people are together unless the government serves as an intermediary. You can't imagine that most people will probably do the right thing with what they have, because you're so sure of exactly what the right thing is for everyone right now. I don't know what's right for you (and us), today. Could be a soda, could be a donation... I'm not an authoritarian, you decide for you (and thus us, I'm ok with that). I seek to empower individuals, not rule them.

    If you were rich, Cata, I'd give you a tax break and you'd do the right thing with it (even if that means saving/investing it), wouldn't you?
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, I don't make that much. And I still think rich people should keep their money. The standard of living in the US is not sustainable - deal with it. I don't care.
    You are right that it is not sustainable, it is why we can no longer afford the tax breaks for the rich. That is how we will deal with it! Whether you care or not.

    I think buying a bunch of disposable crap from Walmart made in China is unsustainable.
    Me too, I agree that 30 years of trickle down theory has been a horrible failure. Where are the jobs and trickle down wealth it was suppose to have created??? As it has been demonstrated, the exact opposite happened, it created more concentration of wealth at the top. There has not been a such a wide disparity between the rich and the working class since the 1920s.


    I think people eating meat everyday (every meal?!) is unsustainable. I think 50% obese, 80% ignorant and 5% awake is unsustainable. The whole developed world is gonna take a hit, and most of Europe is still using 1960's water-radiators for indoor heating. Hell, Holland has toilets so shallow one must fear, and there's no water in them. I don't think the US will drop to Euro standards for the middle class (go-carts and dorm-rooms), but things are not going to stay like this, anyway we cut it.

    Money is power. Power to the people!

    Let's continue to see what we do with it.
    The 10% of people at the top own 90% of the wealth in this country now. So if your philosophy is power to the people, your plan to get there ain't been workin'!!!
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    The 10% of people at the top own 90% of the wealth in this country now. So if your philosophy is power to the people, your plan to get there ain't been workin'!!!
    I'm much more concerned with the reality of living standards than imagining what others may or may not have. We've been fine without Euro-socialism. Today, we live like a millionaire in 1950. We have the highest living standards in the world and the most power.

    Stats are just a butthole.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 07-29-11 at 07:40 AM.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    I'm one of the few that voted 'Yes' the rich need saving. Unless of course, they can pass a camel through the eye of a needle. David Copperfield might be the exception.
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