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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You seem to do a lot blaming on this forum. Did you catch Stewart's GOP: Special victims unit tonight?
    Wrong, I am not the one who blames others for being a failure. I have done quite well and I laugh at those who are mad about that fact



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well the good news is after all the nonsense is over, I am still wealthy and you are still upset that I am apparently. The difference is I don't lie
    Again, just your opinion and we all know what that is worth! If you could have proved your point, you would have done so.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Again, just your opinion and we all know what that is worth! If you could have proved your point, you would have done so.
    anything that interferes with your bash the rich nonsense you will reject no matter how strong the proof

    I am supplying facts to a faith based dogmatic



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is incorrect and the rich are still paying far more than the others-especially in real dollars
    So?? So what?? They make the most?? So why shouldn't they pay the most?? Do you have issues with them paying their fair share?? Have you been brainwashed in to believing that you actually have a point there??

    How much they pay is irrelevent!! If they earn 98% of all the money paid in wages in this nation then they better damn will pay 98% of all the taxes.. That is how it should be?? Why are you stupid enough to think there is a problem there??

    The only thing that matters is what percentage of their income do they pay in taxes.. That is the only thing that matters and the rich pay the least and have for a long time.. So get over it!! Your are simply showing your arrogance and ignornace..

    If you make the most money, then you pay the most taxes.. You need to explain to me and the rest of us what is wrong with that?? Why shouldn't the people that make the most pay the most in taxes?? Well?? Why Turtle??

    And then you can explain to me why it is only conservatives that have these math issues?? The simple concept that earning the most income and paying the most taxes somehow escapes you?? Why?? The rich better damn well pay the most in taxes!! They better pay the most until the end of time!!
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Wrong, I am not the one who blames others for being a failure. I have done quite well and I laugh at those who are mad about that fact
    No one is mad about your story of being rich, whether you are or not. What the working class is mad about is paying a higher percentage of total taxes to enable your tax breaks and wasteful government spending.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anything that interferes with your bash the rich nonsense you will reject no matter how strong the proof

    I am supplying facts to a faith based dogmatic
    Talking to yourself again?? You have supplied no facts.. You have simply missed the point..

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well the good news is after all the nonsense is over, I am still wealthy and you are still upset that I am apparently. The difference is I don't lie

    Wealthy? you might have money (and I seriously question that) but you are certainly not wealthy IMO.

    Wealth takes more than money IMO

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    : characterized by abundance : ample

    Wealthy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    [B]Yet, remarkably, taxes on the top have plummeted. >From the 1940s until 1980, the top tax income tax rate on the highest earners in America was at least 70 percent. In the 1950s, it was 91 percent. Now it's 35 percent.
    The top rate was always a red herring argument, since nobody ever paid it, and mostof the income of the top brackets was from capital gains and dividends, which got an automatic 50% deduction on the tax schedules. For example, on $100 in capital gains only $50 was counted as taxable, and that is after a ton of other deductions in the tax code that nobody else was rich enough to qualify for and even customized laws passed especially for a particular corporation. Anyone who has read the tax schedules would know this, and for those who don't just find them somewhere and see for yourself.

    If the rich were taxed at the same rates they were half a century ago, they'd be paying in over $350 billion more this year alone, which translates into trillions over the next decade. That's enough to accomplish everything the nation needs while also reducing future deficits.
    And that is not even counting the deferred tax shelters overseas they now have.

    If we also cut what we don't need (corporate welfare and bloated defense), taxes could be reduced for everyone earning under $80,000, too. And with a single payer health-care system - Medicare for all - instead of a gaggle of for-profit providers, the nation could save billions more."
    Yes.

    And, you will find that the IRS data gets particularly murky and extremely vague when reporting data on the upper brackets, especially the top ones, and excludes data altogether on the top brackets, which is why the IRS is useless as a source of data on the upper brackets, but then that's it's appeal to many of those who like to cite the IRS as a source; they can make up whatever they want from it.

    I won't even get into the claim of an increase of $280; the government has always distorted the inflation rates, and their data as reflected in the CPI Index is outrageously false after the 1995 'reforms' that introduced 'hedonics adjustments'. Both parties get propaganda value from the 'new adjustments', as in not having to admit this is a depression, not a recession, and there was no 'recovery', but that is a thread all it's own.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    So?? So what?? They make the most?? So why shouldn't they pay the most?? Do you have issues with them paying their fair share?? Have you been brainwashed in to believing that you actually have a point there??

    How much they pay is irrelevent!! If they earn 98% of all the money paid in wages in this nation then they better damn will pay 98% of all the taxes.. That is how it should be?? Why are you stupid enough to think there is a problem there??

    The only thing that matters is what percentage of their income do they pay in taxes.. That is the only thing that matters and the rich pay the least and have for a long time.. So get over it!! Your are simply showing your arrogance and ignornace..

    If you make the most money, then you pay the most taxes.. You need to explain to me and the rest of us what is wrong with that?? Why shouldn't the people that make the most pay the most in taxes?? Well?? Why Turtle??

    And then you can explain to me why it is only conservatives that have these math issues?? The simple concept that earning the most income and paying the most taxes somehow escapes you?? Why?? The rich better damn well pay the most in taxes!! They better pay the most until the end of time!!
    why should ability to pay trump use? maybe if those who cannot "afford" more taxes had to pay more every time they voted for big spending dems they might figure out not to vote for those pimps



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Talking to yourself again?? You have supplied no facts.. You have simply missed the point..

    that a funny claim given several of you make the same nonsensical points at me over and over

    you are emotobabbling nonsense-I supplied facts that counter your faith based claims



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