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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Yes.. In that sense yes.. And they should!!! They make the most money!! Why shouldn't they pay the most?? You earn the most you pay the most in taxes.. What is wrong with that??

    Are they pay the most in taxes as far as percentage of income?? No they are not.. They haven't been for a very long time..

    Please explain why the top 5% that are making the largest of largest wages hundreds of millions a year if not more, shouldn't pay the most in taxes?? When you control the largest portion of the nations wealth, you should be paying most of the taxes.. What is wrong with that??

    stop the made up nonsense-taxes are based on income NOT WEALTH and the top one percent have the greatest gap between their share of the income (22%) and their share of the income tax burden (almost 40%)

    here is the proof includes all federal taxes

    Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More stuff you are making up

    the rich did even better when there was no income tax. the current system is mainly leftist in its makeup

    here is another slap in your silly claims


    Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households
    Why are you posting a link that shows tax rates have been higher back to 1979 for the top 1%?

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Turtle look at it this way..

    You and I live in a nation together.. A nation of 2 people and 2 tax payers..

    You make $200,000.00 a year.. At 10% tax rate you pay $20,000 dollars in taxes..

    I make $20,000 a year and at 10% tax rate I would pay $2,000 dollars in taxes..

    Do you see anything wrong with that??

    You make more and you are paying a lot more in taxes.. In fact 98% of the taxes collected or there abouts is paid by you.. What is wrong with that?? You conservatives need to get it out of your head to worry about how much someone pays in taxes.. That numbers is irrelevent.. The only number that matters is percentage of income.. In my example here we are both paying 10% so we are both paying our fair share of the taxes.. Can you say that about the rich?? Not on your life and if you try your an idiot.. The rich be it people or companies have long been looking for ways to NOT pay their fair share of taxes.. Today the rich pay the least percentage to income when it comes to taxes.. As do companies.. GE paying 0 is simply a crime..

    Now you need to rethink your views here because your looking at things all wrong.. Remember.. How much the rich pays is irrelevent.. They make the most so they damn well better pay the most.. What matters is what percentage to their income did they pay in taxes.. If the rich are paying, we will say 32% and everyone else is paying 35%, then the rich are paying the least in taxes by percentage..
    Last edited by DemonMyst; 07-28-11 at 12:44 AM.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    They benefit more ?? you like to include our infrastructure in your formula, but never get around to things like jails, welfare, unemployment, or our entire criminal court system, which is used overwhelmingly by those paying little or no federal income taxes.

    Our DOD is equally protective of every person of the USA, what a person has to lose, has nothing to do with the DOD but with that persons ability to gain assets throughout his life, so that argument is really a mute point. Our road systems is used by everyone, and if the rich use it more, then in turn pay more for it in the taxes that is paid by fuel. I've seen you use this before, but a good example of what I'm saying, is do you pay in fuel taxes, what walmart does to ship there products to stores across the country? It's my opinion that the rich pay for much more then they use, and until you can come up with realistic numbers to prove other wise .. you have nothing.
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your poor comparison. Go figure.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    that is incorrect and the rich are still paying far more than the others-especially in real dollars



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh I have done rather well, I am not the one blaming others for my lot in life
    You seem to do a lot blaming on this forum. Did you catch Stewart's GOP: Special victims unit tonight?
    Last edited by Boo Radley; 07-28-11 at 12:46 AM.

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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is incorrect and the rich are still paying far more than the others-especially in real dollars
    I told you, your opinion means jack **** to me!

    They pay more because they make more, while they still pay far less percentage wise then they did historically.
    Last edited by Catawba; 07-28-11 at 01:01 AM.
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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Turtle look at it this way..

    You and I live in a nation together.. A nation of 2 people and 2 tax payers..

    You make $200,000.00 a year.. At 10% tax rate you pay $20,000 dollars in taxes..

    I make $20,000 a year and at 10% tax rate I would pay $2,000 dollars in taxes..

    Do you see anything wrong with that??

    You make more and you are paying a lot more in taxes.. In fact 98% of the taxes collected or there abouts is paid by you.. What is wrong with that?? You conservatives need to get it out of your head to worry about how much someone pays in taxes.. That numbers is irrelevent.. The only number that matters is percentage of income.. In my example here we are both paying 10% so we are both paying our fair share of the taxes.. Can you say that about the rich?? Not on your life and if you try your an idiot.. The rich be it people or companies have long been looking for ways to NOT pay their fair share of taxes.. Today the rich pay the least percentage to income when it comes to taxes.. As do companies.. GE paying 0 is simply a crime..

    Now you need to think your views here because your looking at things all wrong.. Remember.. How much the rich pays is irrelevent.. They make the most so they damn well better pay the most.. What matters is what percentage to their income did they pay in taxes.. If the rich are paying, we will say 32% and everyone else is paying 35%, then the rich are paying the least in taxes by percentage..
    yeah I see plenty wrong with me paying ten times more than you do unless I actually get ten times the benefits

    I see far more wrong with 10 of you saying I should pay higher and higher rates while you all pay nothing more

    the rich pay higher percentages

    why don't you tax hikers just cut the lies

    the only honest answer you can have is saying the poor and middle class can outvote the rich and that is why we have a progressive tax system. Your pathetic attempts to justify it based on either lies or idiotic assumptions that say

    1) the rich really don't deserve their wealth

    2) the rich cheated others to become rich

    3) the government gives the rich far more

    why don't you just admit what we all know-you believe in the mantra of FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY

    why are you so ashamed to admit what truly is behind your position. trying to demonize the rich or whining about claims that the rich and the poor pay the same tax rates are nothing more than a dishonest facade hiding what truly motivates you



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    Re: Do The Rich Need Saving?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I told you, your opinion means jack **** to me!

    They pay more because they make more, while they still pay far less percentage wise historically.
    well the good news is after all the nonsense is over, I am still wealthy and you are still upset that I am apparently. The difference is I don't lie



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