If you are refering to life, liberty, and property, I think you and I may disagree over what they mean. Skipping life and liberty, we have a right to own property. We do not have a right to property. What is yours is yours and cannot be taken by others. That is what property rights are. So, I believe we differ over your second sentence as property and resources are yours if you own them. You cannot come to my home and begin living in my backyard without my permission, nor can you take my car.
O.K. LesGovt, you got me, I shared a little of my philosophical views rather than political ones (although the first does influence the other). In no way am I saying that anything exists, currently, that legally supports these ideas. This is all philosophy and not everyone is a philosopher, I get that--its an "out of the box" type thinking (if you will). According to these philosophies, man should be, but is not born free (this doesn't imply that man could ever be born free either, that is why it is an ideological philosophy).
You need to move to where I am as I do not see the oppression and unequal opportunity.
Great, then there must be very little poverty, very few unemployed, a decent sized lower class, a burgeoning middle class (i.e. those who can pay for necessities and have a little extra afterward), an upper class and a ridiculously rich class
... Please do tell, where do you live, for if what I have described is true, I will move tomorrow and only tell my close family about such a place as it appears that it is an anomaly and I wouldn't want any of the greed-mongers swooping in to affect more hardship.
If we are talking about the U.S., yes all people who are allowed to be born are free. Those who were not allowed cannot be free.
Again, the word free has both legal and philosophical implications.
I believe there are laws against trespassing. I further believe the sovereign countries can allow or disallow any people from their country as they wish.
Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure you're right about ... there goes my plan to go set up tent in the backyard of someone's home in Greenland (or something).
I guess we differ over what being born free means..
Again, the word free has both legal and philosophical implications.
Which century are you talking about. This country was founded with currency available.
Ummm last time I checked that was true, but gee wiz, I dunno now, you got me all confused
Do you want to go back to the Medieval days? No thanks.
Couldn't agree with you more (they had currency then too by the way)
I don't want to take 500 bushels of apples to the car dealer in order to purchase a car. Of course, the car dealer could hoard the cars when I could not hoard the apples. Harumph!
This is true, it may not have been the most ideal of circumstances (I think its the concept of the matter that I was getting at, I'm not sure, but, yeah, that's what I was getting at). The only problem with a car dealer hoarding cars in a trade market would be that the person would end up starving as they need food to live. Without trading his or her goods he or she would starve! Harumph!
Not everyone had an orchard. Some had other commodities that would not spoil. Diamonds and rubies have never spoiled and they have been sold for centuries. Ox carts don't spoil; however, if not maintained, they might not last 40 or 50 years.
This is a valid point, people could hoard
to a degree and the hoarding likely became more extensive as time went on.
Yes, it has many good qualities, but like any system it is far from perfect and that is why we do not have free market capitalism
You seem to see the glass empty. I see it mostly full. I like getting up in the morning with a smile on my face and go to bed the same way. I like the glass mostly full and it is.
I noticed you made an assumption as to how I see the glass (half full or half empty). To avoid making assumptions, you could just ask me how I see the glass .. I don't know .. just a pointer I guess. So assuming you asked that question, I am taking it into good faith that you would because you seem like a nice person, I would answer that I see the glass both half full and half empty (if you want to start using colloquialisms), i.e. a realist. It is my opinion that if people do not open their eyes to see reality and instead stick their head in the sand, they are guilty of neglect as they fail to see problems that need fixing and thus actions that need to be taken to fix such problems.[/QUOTE]
