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Thread: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    PzKfW IVe ... what are you talking about ..
    I believe I summed it up quite well when I noted that you were far more interested in playing pre-pubescent games rather than engagin in honest discussion.
    Nothing you have posted here has shown otherwise.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Wow, I was the first to vote and I voted that no one has a right to decide how much is too muchBull and male bovine feces.. I'll decide...if one cannot "make it " on $100K, then tough-titty...I make it on far less. I have told my wife and family that there are many things in this life that I never want and two of them are to be famous and to be super-wealthy. Life should be about the journey and not the fame or wealth. Being self-sufficient should be the goal. Can you imagine what it is really like to be a famous celebrity with paparazzi and reporters bugging you endlessly? No thanks. As for wealth, I like to wake up everyday and ask myself, "How can I improve my lot?" I really think I would not like to say "Wow! I am rich. I can now do whatever I want. Where is the challenge in that?

    Now, while I do not want to be super-wealthy, I neither envy them nor do I covet their wealth. Apparently, many people do. A rich person has never detracted from anything that I have ever wanted to do and they have never held me down. I have done alright and I have lived the American Dream. Again, no rich person impacted that in the least. Maybe people would be better off attempting to improve themselves and their own financial situation and not be so concerned about something that really has no impact on them. It might cure those pains in the heart.
    The income tax rates should be reset to those of the Clinton Era....compalin too much and we will go back to the Eisenhower Era. The attitude and greed of the rich is sickening.......
    Enough stupid ranting..
    What we must do is cut waste and the reason behind it...the quality of our people...
    We may be at a point of maxing out where it come to "cutting".
    Education is the answer.
    And tolerance.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    I believe I summed it up quite well when I noted that you were far more interested in playing pre-pubescent games rather than engagin in honest discussion.
    Nothing you have posted here has shown otherwise.
    I believe it is the other way around my friend

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I believe it is the other way around my friend
    That just proves my point. Thank you.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    That just proves my point. Thank you.
    No ... thank you PzKfW IVe

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The income tax rates should be reset to those of the Clinton Era.
    I have read that this would have reduced the total debt run up since 2001 by $1.2-1.5T, or, generously, $150B/yr.
    That leaves a defecit of ~$1350B
    How, exactly, do you suppose we take care of that?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    philosophy of democracy requires people to stand up for their beliefs ... just trying to help you understand the concept man .. hope that helped
    It also requires that you not persecute the minority with a majority. Which is what you proposed.

    Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Majority rule is often listed as a characteristic of democracy. However, it is also possible for a minority to be oppressed by a "tyranny of the majority" in the absence of governmental or constitutional protections of individual or group rights.
    Of course, that's because:
    equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.
    There's that pesky freedom term again. How about we define freedom as NOT freedom, as liberals often do, then we can ignore that right?

    You do realize that ethics and morality are not tested in ideal circumstances, they are tested in the extreme situation. You are not a free nation if you only observe freedom when you feel like it, only for people you personally think are OK. Sure, the poor fisherman should be free, poor guy right? What about the billionaire fat cat.....? When you accept that you must treat them with the same fairness, you might grow a little inside. This is no different than the teachings of Love Your Enemy, or simply recognizing that individual freedom is a fundamental building block of...you know, good. That you fail that test is not a surprise, most do. Anyone can learn however.

    Organize a charity around volunterrism, ala imageps suggestion, if you really desire it. Stop abusing government and freedoms to further your own personal agenda to take from others.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Organize a charity around volunterrism, ala imageps suggestion, if you really desire it. Stop abusing government and freedoms to further your own personal agenda to take from others.
    He beleives that government is not just a, but THE, vehicle for the imposiiton of a selective morality, with his version as the only legitimate selection - all others need not apply.
    Yes - the hypocrisy of this -is- self-evident.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    We've already gone over this in other threads ... market economies do not exist .. remember?
    I understand you're new to these particular forums, so here's the scoop. Semantic quibbles about "pure", "true", "absolute", belong in the philosophy forum. If you keep raising them here, despite being corrected, it makes you look...<insert whatever you think is appropriate here>.
    If you continue to misrepresent such positions, despite being clearly rebutted on that specific issue multiple times, that gets really annoying, and off-topic.

    For example:
    Market economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For example, the United States constitutes a mixed economy (substantial market regulation, agricultural subsidies, extensive government-funded research and development, Medicare/Medicaid), yet at the same time it is foundationally rooted in a market economy.
    So, using your ENORMOUS man-sized brain, try to focus on what makes sense in the debate (i.e. that the U.S. is based on market principles), and not the tired absurd philisophical debate about "no pure <market, socialist, communist> <economy, government>" actually EXISTS!! Dur!

    I even included "market BASED", to try to hold your hand on that precise point, you but you still managed to get lost. Please jettison the semantic antics, and rejoin a mature disuscssion.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    He beleives that government is not just a, but THE, vehicle for the imposiiton of a selective morality, with his version as the only legitimate selection - all others need not apply. Yes - the hypocrisy of this -is- self-evident.
    It's like using a shotgun to clean your fingernails. It works sometimes, usually by accident, but it's incredibly dangerous, dumb, and usually results in the destruction of everything you were trying to fix.

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