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Thread: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Fair means a wage that will avoid undue hardship on the worker .. not whatever wage is agreed upon so that a family can suffer in debt, malnutrition, unrewarding work etc.
    Thats what YOU call a fair wage. Your opinion carries no weight in the negotiation between the employer and employee - unless, of course, you happen to be one or the other.

    If you are the employer and your version of a 'fair wage' is too low, you won't have any emplpoyees; if you are the emplpyee and your version of a 'air wage' is too high, you won't have a job. Welcome to supply and demand.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    I know - and even though you agree that it is sound, you disagree with it.
    Speaks volumes.
    Actually it speaks volumes that you are not understanding what i am saying. Even an immoral person can have a sound argument ... sound argument does not = morality

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Thats what YOU call a fair wage. Your opinion carries no weight in the negotiation between the employer and employee - unless, of course, you happen to be one or the other.

    If you are the employer and your version of a 'fair wage' is too low, you won't have any emplpoyees; if you are the emplpyee and your version of a 'air wage' is too high, you won't have a job. Welcome to supply and demand.
    I have understood that concept for a long time now. You are still not addressing the moral side of this equation.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Dear the founders of Facebook, Google and Geffen Records.

    You're rich because you made other people poor.
    We don't know how, but it's true.
    Give us money, now.

    Signed, lots of silly people
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Yes - in the exact manner I expected.

    While you are more than happy to use democracy to force your version of morality on others, you wil squeal like a stuck pig when someone tries to do the same to you.

    So much for logical consistency.
    OK, I think you are beginning to attack me now ... have you no other way to feel like you are making a point than by attacking others .. seriously?

    In addition, you said you think democracy is great ... do you not stand up for your beliefs?

    If you do, that does not make you inconsistent, as the philosophy of democracy requires people to stand up for their beliefs ... just trying to help you understand the concept man .. hope that helped
    Last edited by MusicAdventurer; 07-20-11 at 03:37 PM.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    OK, I think you are beginning to attack me now
    You're the one that spoke of logical consistency, not me.
    You believe it is OK for you to force your morality on others, but you will not tolerate someone doing the same to you.
    This is...well...logically inconsistent.

    Why do you believe that you can do to others what they cannot do to you?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Fair means a wage that will avoid undue hardship on the worker .. not whatever wage is agreed upon so that a family can suffer in debt, malnutrition, unrewarding work etc.
    In a market based economy, that's not the case. Obviously, it would be absurd to suggest it.

    You've already seen the spectacular historical (and near modern day) catastrophies that planned economies result in. Why on earth would you propose we undo all the good markets do, and replace them with things that destroy freedoms and create enoromous levels of poverty and economic stagnation?

    If you screw in bolts all day, while you may earnestly "feel" like you need to be able to raise an entire family and put them in college and buy a house on that labor (especially if you just read some socialist BS or heard some marxists poropoganda), but you'd just be irrational. Guess what, you might need to take two such jobs, or, imagine this, develop skills that are in MORE demand for higher pay, in order to increase your pay. You have to better serve society, for society to better value your service. OUTRAGEOUS!! (or not)

    You really don't understand the fact that if society doesn't want to pay you to work voluntarily, that you have no right to force them to pay you?
    - Hey, I need 10 fish per week for my seafood kiosk and I'll pay $3/lb Can you provide it MusicalAdventurer?
    - "No sir, but I have these sticks I picked up, I like sticks, I like collecting them."
    - "yeah, no need for sticks, but thanks"
    - "No sir, I'm going to have to inform you that you are hereby forced to pay me $3/lb for sticks, because I feel you should, viva la revolution!"

    I can't believe you really propose such nonsense.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    You're the one that spoke of logical consistency, not me.
    You believe it is OK for you to force your morality on others, but you will not tolerate someone doing the same to you.
    This is...well...logically inconsistent.

    Why do you believe that you can do to others what they cannot do to you?
    PzKfW IVe ... what are you talking about .. read post #65 again ... if you have questions regarding that post .. I can help explain things for you

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    In a market based economy, that's not the case. Obviously, it would be absurd to suggest it
    We've already gone over this in other threads ... market economies do not exist .. remember?
    Last edited by MusicAdventurer; 07-20-11 at 03:46 PM.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You really don't understand the fact that if society doesn't want to pay you to work voluntarily, that you have no right to force them to pay you?
    - Hey, I need 10 fish per week for my seafood kiosk and I'll pay $3/lb Can you provide it MusicalAdventurer?
    - "No sir, but I have these sticks I picked up, I like sticks, I like collecting them."
    - "yeah, no need for sticks, but thanks"
    - "No sir, I'm going to have to inform you that you are hereby forced to pay me $3/lb for sticks, because I feel you should, viva la revolution!"
    Why do you think a minimum wage exists (even if its too low)?
    Last edited by MusicAdventurer; 07-20-11 at 03:46 PM.

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