View Poll Results: Should a multi-billionaire settle for 2 jets instead of 3, 7 homes instead of 10 etc?

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Thread: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Yes... so long as the employer and the employee agree upon it, no one has standing to argue that a given wage isn't fair.
    The emplpyee did, after all, voluntarily accept the wage.
    Sometimes when one has a family to feed, they do what they have to .. regardless of how fair the wage is. How is that so hard to understand?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    You actually think that someone taking a job delineates a fair wage? Wow ... we are definitely not going to agree on that point ... wow!
    Sorry, but if I am providing jobs, I get to set what I am willing to pay. If a person wants to work for me, they can. If they don't, they do not have to do so. What is "fair wage?" Is it minimum wage? Is it $10.00 an hour? Is it $25.00 an hour? Fair to you and fair to me may differ. If I am a 16 year-old, minimum wage may look like a fortune to me. If I am a corporate executive, it might not entice me to work there.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Sometimes when one has a family to feed, they do what they have to .. regardless of how fair the wage is. How is that so hard to understand?
    The only thng I don't understand here is how you think this might in any way counters, negates or nullifies the soundness of the point I made.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Democracy. It's great.
    Thank you for answering my question PzKfW IVe .. that wasn't so hard .. was it? I knew you had it in you ...

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    you're apparently OK with using democracy to force your morality on others
    Again, you are assuming that I am OK with democracy .. so you should first ask "Do you support democracy?" ... to which I would answer ... to some degree, its not perfect and our current version of democracy needs some serious tweaking, but it can, if applied properly, serve the greater good

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    will you then remain logically consistent and not complain when others similarly force their morality onto you?
    Staying consistent with democratic philosophy, if I believe that something is not right, I will express my beliefs in hopes that others will agree, join with me and effect change ... does this answer your question?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Sorry, but if I am providing jobs, I get to set what I am willing to pay. If a person wants to work for me, they can. If they don't, they do not have to do so. What is "fair wage?" Is it minimum wage? Is it $10.00 an hour? Is it $25.00 an hour? Fair to you and fair to me may differ. If I am a 16 year-old, minimum wage may look like a fortune to me. If I am a corporate executive, it might not entice me to work there.
    Fair means a wage that will avoid undue hardship on the worker .. not whatever wage is agreed upon so that a family can suffer in debt, malnutrition, unrewarding work etc.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The only thng I don't understand here is how you think this might in any way counters, negates or nullifies the soundness of the point I made.
    Your point is sound, yet lacks moral fiber (imo) ... what are your morals? do you have them? to you care about your fellow man/woman?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Staying consistent with democratic philosophy, if I believe that something is not right, I will express my beliefs in hopes that others will agree, join with me and effect change ... does this answer your question?
    Yes - in the exact manner I expected.

    While you are more than happy to use democracy to force your version of morality on others, you wil squeal like a stuck pig when someone tries to do the same to you.

    So much for logical consistency.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Your point is sound
    I know - and even though you agree that it is sound, you disagree with it.
    Speaks volumes.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Fair means a wage that will avoid undue hardship on the worker .. not whatever wage is agreed upon so that a family can suffer in debt, malnutrition, unrewarding work etc.
    So, when I was laid off from a company and I then went to work for another company for 1/3 less, I was not receiving a "fair" wage? Our family's lifestyle was built around the higher income. Did we suffer? Yes. Malnutrition? No. Unrewarding work? Yes and no. Did I piss and moan? No. Did I rebound? Yes. Must be genetics. I think I should get a lot of credit for what I have accomplished. I have more on this to provide, but I have to leave to meet my daughter at a car dealer. I'll be back.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Nope. I just think you do not understand conservatives. George W. Bush said he was a "compassionate" conservative. Many, if not most, conservatives found that offensive. Conservatives who are rational care about people and want them to do well and do not want to see people suffer. We differ from you on the solutions. If we (liberals and conservatives) would learn to express ourselves in complete thoughts on subjects without namecalling and vitriol, we might better understand each other. I would venture to say that most conservatives are empathetic and humanitarian, but do not view the solutions to problems the way liberals do.
    Now we're getting somewhere. I do not consider myself a liberal or a conservative .. I, like you, want to see less suffering in the world.

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